Ich in 2019

[ClownReef®]

Hello all,

I wanted to open up the conversation if why there haven't been more studies on ich since the '90s? I truly believe is the #1 cause for death in fish. Why isn't there a vaccine or a cure that doesn't involve the tedious work and incredibly frustrating process of TTM and dosing and measuring copper?

Yes, QT everything, but a lot of people don't have the room to keep a constant QT tank set up. I know I don't. I have QTd before and then ich pops out of nowhere.

Would RC crowd fund biologist and scientists to come up with a solution for these times? I know id pitch in. Most help comes from the "In my experience", "fallow for 8 weeks", "no 9 weeks", "No, 12 weeks", etc peeps.. The world of ich solutions is full of BS.

A protozoa is basically an animal, a living thing, a parasite and it can be killed..

Id love to hear your feedback.

 

[ClownReef®]

These are a list of medications that kill protozoans:

Daraprim (pyrimethamine)
Diloxanide
Fasigyn (tinidazole)
Flagyl tablets (metronidazole)
Mepacrine
Metronidazole tablets and suspension
Norzol suspension (metronidazole)
Pentacarinat injection
Pentostam (sodium stibogluconate)
Wellvone (atovaquone)

Is it crazy to think there could be a pellet or a frozen food that the fish could eat to treat ich?

 

[ClownReef®]

This article is 10 years old..

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091202122052.htm

 

[wrott]

http://www.drgsmarineaquaculture.com

 

[ClownReef®]

“Cured!”

Whats the science behind it?

 

[wrott]

You asked,"Is it crazy to think there could be a pellet or a frozen food that the fish could eat to treat ich?"
Look at Dr Gs medicated food. Premium Aquatics sells it.

 

[ClownReef®]

You asked,"Is it crazy to think there could be a pellet or a frozen food that the fish could eat to treat ich?"
Look at Dr Gs medicated food. Premium Aquatics sells it.

Looks like dosing is a guess

 

[HumbleFish]

Since most fish can handle Ich via their natural immune system, the more dangerous parasites are Velvet, Brook & Uronema IMO & E.

And there are more recent studies on these if you search Google Scholar. For example, here's one from 2007 where they used Hydrogen Peroxide to treat Velvet: https://www.researchgate.net/public...n_the_Pacific_Threadfin_Polydactylus_sexfilis

If you're wanting more recent info about Ich, check out this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0044848617315892

 

[ClownReef®]

Thanks Humble! We can land a Rover on Mars but we can’t make the battle towards those parasites easier..

 

[HumbleFish]

Thanks Humble! We can land a Rover on Mars but we can't make the battle towards those parasites easier..

I'm still experimenting, but I'm hoping this might be a game changer: https://humble.fish/hydrogen-peroxide/

A 30 min, 75 ppm bath has already been proven to remove Velvet trophonts right on the fish. I am currently experimenting with a 30 min, <b>150 ppm</b> bath to see how effective that is against Velvet, Brook, Uronema and worms.

 

[Uncle99]

Healthy well fed fish living in a stable reef system with low stress defeats ick!

No drugs required!

 

[ali1]

healthy well fed fish living in a stable reef system with low stress defeats ick!

No drugs required!

bs

 

[ali1]

Hello all,

I wanted to open up the conversation if why there haven't been more studies on ich since the '90s? I truly believe is the #1 cause for death in fish. Why isn't there a vaccine or a cure that doesn't involve the tedious work and incredibly frustrating process of TTM and dosing and measuring copper?

Yes, QT everything, but a lot of people don't have the room to keep a constant QT tank set up. I know I don't. I have QTd before and then ich pops out of nowhere.

Would RC crowd fund biologist and scientists to come up with a solution for these times? I know id pitch in. Most help comes from the "In my experience", "fallow for 8 weeks", "no 9 weeks", "No, 12 weeks", etc peeps.. The world of ich solutions is full of BS.

A protozoa is basically an animal, a living thing, a parasite and it can be killed..

Id love to hear your feedback.

I agree. I been checking forums regularly for vaccine/cure over 15years. Not much progress.

 

[Uncle99]

bs

That's both rude and bad advice.
The approach is quite basic.

Probably why you "œare totally frustrated with this disease"

Feeding a variety of foods including clam meat and ensuring minimal stress environment , goes along way in ensuring this parasites does not take hold.

Same reasons people build their immunity, guarantee, nope, necessary, well that depends on what success you want.

 

[Reef noob_]

Agreed. I've "beaten" ich many times by providing proper nutrition and water quality with almost zero losses. I wouldn't really be interested in an ich "cure".

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[ali1]

That's both rude and bad advice.
The approach is quite basic.

Probably why you "œare totally frustrated with this disease"

Feeding a variety of foods including clam meat and ensuring minimal stress environment , goes along way in ensuring this parasites does not take hold.

Same reasons people build their immunity, guarantee, nope, necessary, well that depends on what success you want.

That wasn't advice. Simply calling BS on your advice. Your input is just general husbandry for overall tank specimens.

Im not ' totally frustrated with this disease '. If you read the signature again, it's a quote from another RC member.

three proven methods are copper, hypo, and TTM. TTM being the least stressful.

 

[hkgar]

Thanks Humble! We can land a Rover on Mars but we can't make the battle towards those parasites easier..

Just like we can't cure the common cold. Everything that mother nature has created has a strong desire to do what it takes to survive so we are always battling the common cold, flu and...Ick. And with the right conditions the common cold and the flu kill us poor humans who can't battle it effectively.

He, it may be trite but.. Only the strong survive.

 

[2000se]

H202 eh.. seems this stuff has uses every where!

This is great research humble!

 

[HumbleFish]

I'll just say not all fish are equal when managing Ich. It's more difficult to do with an Achilles or other Acanthurus Tang.

 

[Dr. Reef]

pure chloroquine phosphate is a pretty guaranteed cure for ich.
I have never had a fish carry ich after treatment atleast since i have been practicing CP for last 5 yrs or so.