Ich POLL!

Ich POLL!

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    Votes: 151 57.4%

  • no

    Votes: 112 42.6%
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Sk8r said:
Understood, RBU1. It's the devil and the deep blue that you get into when you have a complex situation and certain species. Any thought of pulling the tang out to treatment, since he's your Typhoid Mary? It's a case of we all know what's the BEST thing to do, the full 8-week fishless, but sometimes, especially with a huge and complex tank and big fish, you're left making do with the second-best solution, which is one thing I'd like to address. So despite all best efforts, you're IN one of those situations...should you treat the incoming fish with a slime coat inducer before introduction? Would that itself stress the fish? At very least, perhaps, get the water as perfect a match as you can and have the lights off so as not to confuse the fish, and to lower feeding-excitement in the others. Maybe a lighting-grid barrier ready in case of a fish-fight. Heck, I'd toss in garlic, not because it does anything at all to kill ich, but because it appears to be an appetite stimulant, and MIGHT increase slime coat. Do the best you can, treat that tank with kid gloves, and I wish you all kinds of luck.
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I appreciate your comments, but I am not gong thru any of that stuff anymore. As I stated in another thread. If things don't work I will pack it in. Not going thru the aggrevation any longer.
 
i have had ich in my system for over 2 years and have added over a dozen species of fish 4 being tangs and not one getting ich i also have added an infested copperband butterfly to the system and it recovered and is thriving it's been 14 months since i added it i believe if you keep up good water quality & supplement with good food and vitamins the system will keep it under control and i might ad i have never ever seen any of my fish ever scratch or flicker against any rock
 
djze said:
i have had ich in my system for over 2 years and have added over a dozen species of fish 4 being tangs and not one getting ich i also have added an infested copperband butterfly to the system and it recovered and is thriving it's been 14 months since i added it i believe if you keep up good water quality & supplement with good food and vitamins the system will keep it under control and i might ad i have never ever seen any of my fish ever scratch or flicker against any rock
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That's quite some luck you're having there. Hope it stays that way.
 
3 years ago i did as most have done by removing all my fish from the display and letting it fallow for 10 weeks it worked out fine for a little while but all it takes is one slip up and bang your back to square one so now i just learn to live with it since it hasn't affected any of my fish i'm going to keep doing what i've doing by just letting it be but regardless of having ich or not certain species i still quarantine just to monitor and give them time to settle and acclimate properly
 
djze said:
i have had ich in my system for over 2 years and have added over a dozen species of fish 4 being tangs and not one getting ich i also have added an infested copperband butterfly to the system and it recovered and is thriving it's been 14 months since i added it i believe if you keep up good water quality & supplement with good food and vitamins the system will keep it under control and i might ad i have never ever seen any of my fish ever scratch or flicker against any rock
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I hope my expieriece is just like yours.....

I added my Scribbled to the main tank this morning....My fingers are crossed.
 
djze said:
i have had ich in my system for over 2 years and have added over a dozen species of fish 4 being tangs and not one getting ich i also have added an infested copperband butterfly to the system and it recovered and is thriving it's been 14 months since i added it i believe if you keep up good water quality & supplement with good food and vitamins the system will keep it under control and i might ad i have never ever seen any of my fish ever scratch or flicker against any rock
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I think there is a good chance the CB didn't have ich, I'm convinced its often misdiagnosed. If it did, why would you add it to a healthy tank?
 
I agree that ich does not kill fish immediately and they can survive with it for long periods of time. However I disagree that ich is in every tank. I have never had the presence of ich in a marine tank and I am thankful for that because it is apparently so much harder to get rid of than fresh water ich. I only got ich a few times in my cichlid tanks but super ich cure this blue stuff worked pretty well and it was only a few bucks at wal mart.
 
MrTuskfish said:
I think there is a good chance the CB didn't have ich, I'm convinced its often misdiagnosed. If it did, why would you add it to a healthy tank?
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what other parasites manifest similarly to cyrpt? you've said this several times can we get a comparison pic showing the difference. thanks
 
THEDLO said:
what other parasites manifest similarly to cyrpt? you've said this several times can we get a comparison pic showing the difference. thanks
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It just seems, to many hobbyists, like every white speck is ich. Other, (non-lethal) parasites, small wounds, infections, even tiny bits of substrate, have been mistaken for ich. I really don't know what the answer is; but IMO & IME, there are just way too many posts of very unusual ich appearances on this forum recently. The recent post, involving a supposedly ich infested Copperband into a tank containing tangs (If i read it properly) with no consequences is just hard to imagine. Although I don't keep a scorecard, it seems most of the ich being diagnosed is just based on a few short-lived white spots. The usual flashing, scratching, etc., just isn't mentioned. In short, again IME & IMO, I just don't think the stories of ich magically coming and going is possible. I do believe that many of the hobbyists making the ich assumptions either lack the experience or have not done the research to support these claims. However, I think their claims are sincere, just usually wrong. Again: the published and other scientific evidence just doesn't support these wild claims. The people like Fenner & Goemans have just studied this parasite too long and too thoroughly to be considered wrong; especially lacking credible studies proving them wrong---and there aren't any. However, this is far from 100% proof; I imagine there are a few cases of ich just going away (perhaps a pool of the parasites with a gene deficiency---an admitted shot in the dark, but it works as an example of the "possible"); but not in the number and the manner described by the folks on this thread. It's odd, that nobody has reported a tank wipe-out from ich. I know that is much more common than a sudden, unexplained, recovery.
 
Ah ok. Yea i was just curious if they were other similar looking parasites. what I've gone through was and is ich. I'm a little disappointed in my self that I didn't take any pics when my fish were infested. :/

I do agree that recently everyone has been calling any mark/bump ich. Scratching/rubbing is the second conformation I used when I suspect ich. I have noticed that fish that generally sleep in the same spot get it the worst. e.g. hippos, when mine would get it bad i would cover up its sleeping niche and after a couple days the second wave of parasites would not be as big/or as many spots. just my observation.
 
THEDLO said:
Ah ok. Yea i was just curious if they were other similar looking parasites. what I've gone through was and is ich. I'm a little disappointed in my self that I didn't take any pics when my fish were infested. :/

I do agree that recently everyone has been calling any mark/bump ich. Scratching/rubbing is the second conformation I used when I suspect ich. I have noticed that fish that generally sleep in the same spot get it the worst. e.g. hippos, when mine would get it bad i would cover up its sleeping niche and after a couple days the second wave of parasites would not be as big/or as many spots. just my observation.
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Another thing I can't figure out: why so many ich cases now and so little mention of Velvet? For most of my years in the hobby, Velvet was a much bigger concern than ich. I think its tougher to see & cure and kills faster, IMO & IME. You never hear of it on this forum though. I was at the best LFS within 150 miles a few weeks ago and fish in 3 tanks had velvet. They weren't on a central system and an employee got right on it. I know the owner and he said they have seen a lot of it lately, its always been a problem for them, but worse than usual now.
 
i'm pretty confident i know what ich looks like i've been dealing with it for over 5 years the reason i added my copperband straight to main system was because i already knew ich was present in there and plus copperbands don't do very well in quarantine especially if there in bad shape and like i mentioned before if the system is healthy and matured it will over come the ich and i'm a firm believer of garlic & selcon use it religiously everyday
 
one thing i have acknowledged is if your introducing a fish with ich and there's stress among the fish that are already in the present system they will most likely contract it to but if there's no stress among them then they don't contract the ich and that's why i've been so successful at keeping it at bay my fish are all peaceful with one another
 
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