Ideal shipping conditions for anemones?

ThRoewer

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I'm trying to find out what the best conditions for shipping anemones are. It's not that I plan to ship anemones, but in case I order another one I would like to be able to specify how to ship them.
The goal is to avoid bleaching and infections.

So would it be better to ship them "wet" (bag filled with water) or "dry" (just the anemone and nearly no additional water)?

Would it make sense to medicate the water before or during the shipping? If yes with what?

Should the bag filled with pure oxygen or just regular air? Does air or oxygen make a difference if the anemone is shipped wet or dry?

Would conditions have to be anemone specific or could it apply equally to all?

What else?
 
That's what I gathered too.
But would it be good to fill the bag with pure oxygen or would that be too aggressive?
Also, would it be helpful to add some medication?
 
I ship out with water and ox the bag. I have seen them come in with enough water to cover their foot though. Use ice packs or heat packs accordingly.
 
I've always been under the impression that anemone shipped or hand carried should nor have pure oxy/air in the bag as it can lead to tissue problems, or bleaching. the bag should only have enough water to keep the anemone wet, barely covering the foot.

one I believe is so they don't get tossed around and two so they have an easier time acclimating after transport. I would also think that some anemone may need to be fully submerged. not all anemone species are intertidal.
 
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I've always been under the impression that anemone shipped or hand carried should nor have pure oxy/air in the bag as it can lead to tissue problems, or bleaching. the bag should only have enough water to keep the anemone wet, barely covering the foot.

one I believe is so they don't get tossed around and two so they have an easier time acclimating after transport.

Tossing shouldn't do too much damage, especially if the bag has a round bottom

They need oxygen or they will die. The question is if pure oxygen might "burn" them.

The reason for not having water is to prevent the anemone from sitting in a pool of bacteria.
 
Yeah, didn't mean the tossing would cause tssue damage or bleaching, that was for the bottled air. But tossing and sloshing about inside a ballon suely will stress the anemone.
 
You don't need pure oxygen. Shipping with little water can be tricky depending on weather conditions. Extra water in the bag helps keep the temp stable (buffer).
 
I would follow what AD87 says about shipping, Nem I got from him from OH to GA showed up in great shape. And for God sakes man, quit trying to throw medication in everything you do. Pre-treating is never the answer.
 
I would follow what AD87 says about shipping, Nem I got from him from OH to GA showed up in great shape.
That was one anemone (what kind btw?).
That little bit of water that fits into a bag will do next to nothing to buffer extreme temperatures. For that ice or heat packs would be required.
But as others noted, dry shipped giganteas usually arrived in better shape.

And for God sakes man, quit trying to throw medication in everything you do. Pre-treating is never the answer.
What the hell are you talking about? I don't throw medication on everything.

But gigs for example don't handle shipping well so if there was a way to prevent them from getting sick it would be worth investigation.
 
Mag - they handle shipping about as poor as gigs do. (I have however seen many say the low water with gigs but not seen anybody recommend it for mags)

What I'm talking about is the other day you wanted to treat some nems with meds just because they are new. Now you're talking about throwing meds in the shipping bags. That's the kind of stuff that builds up immunities and ruins one of the few drugs we have available to us.

Is it worth testing if you have a good understanding on concentration levels and half-life? There could be some merit to it. In that though you would have to do some pretty good pre-testing. Bagging your own nems and leaving them outside for 24 hours...etc. Still none of that can help you answer the other potential question that comes up which is are you building an immunity to it. SO sure you might be able to improve shipping condition but at what cost?
 
I think the jury is still out on the ideal shipping method.

I've had probably a dozen or so anemones shipped to me in various ways -- large bags with lots of water and air, small bags with lots of water and not much air, as well as almost no water. And I've also transported anemones from friend's houses and LFS in many ways -- in a bucket, a cooler, in a bag with no water, in a bag with lots of water, etc. My point is that of the six anemones that I currently own (4 gigs and 2 mags) there were so many variables involved in how the nem traveled that it's hard to tell which is the best, and the reality is that the mode of transportation should be treated on a case-by-case basis.

I witnessed one anemone completely invert its stomach during the 45 minute trip home from the LFS. I eventually died even with antibiotic treatment. I recently received a gig from an online dealer and it didn't need treatment at all -- it arrived in a bag so small that the nem was folded inside, and the bag had barely any air. But even in the QT tank, it never deflated.

A few more comments:

1. The way anemones are shipped should be species specific. As previously mentioned, gigs seem to ship better without any water. We can also assume that those nems that are exposed to air in the wild should ship fine without water, so this would include magnifica. Other nems, such as BTAs, are hardier anemones, so shipping methods may not matter.

2. It's more important that the nem is healthy when shipped than to include medication in the bag. I don't think one day's worth of medication will alleviate shipping stress, nor will it prevent an anemone from getting sicker. I believe that when an anemone expels zooxanthellae, it's this dead zoox that must be removed in order to prevent reinfection. If it's allowed to sit in a bag with dead zoox, the nem won't get better.

3. The condition of the nem plays a large part in how well it does in shipping. For example, they should not be fed prior to shipping as they may expel any partially eaten food during shipping, which will of course foul the water (if water is used). Partially or even fully bleached nems appear to ship better because they don't have dead zoox to hold during shipping, not do they have any to expel.

The only way we'll know we'll be able to gather even the slightest bit of information on what the best way to ship anemones is is to conduct an experiment where healthy anemones are shipped to various locations. However, only someone who's completely twisted will attempt such a thing with their healthy nems.
 
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