I'm getting sick and tired of the dishonest fish trade

Jyetman

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Why isn't more being done to prevent this? Why aren't more people complaining? I am getting sick and tired of buying fish that shortly die. PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME ITS MY FAULT I WORKED AT FISH STORES FOR YEARS AND KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY ACCLIMATE FISH. I've got fish from 10 years ago and are still thriving today! Its only when I introduce new fish most die within a few weeks to a few months.


I'm certain this article has something to do with this issue.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160310-aquarium-saltwater-tropical-fish-cyanide-coral-reefs/
 
There are so many things that contribute to fish casualties with new fish. It used to be that the supply chain kept their salinity at least 1.021 with most wholesalers running 1.025. Now most wholesalers keep their salinity at 1.018 or lower. In fact, salinity levels as low as 1.014 is very common at the So. Cal Wholesalers. Then the stores get these fish and do the typical fast acclimation which results in osmotic shock and a very high percentage of fish dying over the course of a month or so. Add to that, the collection methods, transport and handling etc. The end result is that a very high percentage of collected fish are doomed. Top that off with stores that run low salinity and customers who don't match bag water salinity or those who don't QT and treat fish for parasites and the rest is history.

It's pretty sad in my opinion and I think a big part of the issue is the wholesalers who keep extra low salinity levels in their fish systems. While some would say they do it to reduce parasites and stress, I think a big factor is cost savings on salt or salt water. Having been in the hobby for over 30 years, I can tell you that it used to not be that way. The survival rates were much higher many years back and I honestly believe that a part of the issue starts with the wholesalers salinity and ends with the retailers acclimation methods to this lower salinity water. In fact, most retailers don't even test their bag water salinity and are nieve to the fact that they are taking fish from extremely low salinity levels and acclimating them to 1.021 or high in a matter of an hour or two which just doesn't work.
 
Do LFSs ever offer qt services where they treat and hold the fish for a while before you pay and take home?

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+1 to what slief said. It all comes down to the almighty dollar. While there are some companies taking a stand on better collection, handling, and transportation methods it all comes down to how can I maximize profit and reduce cost. Testing takes time and when it is a large shipment the faster it can be processed the cheaper the cost. Most don't plan on having the fish very long so when it's more cost effective to keep a lower sg why not.
 
Do LFSs ever offer qt services where they treat and hold the fish for a while before you pay and take home?

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My LFS when he orders something for you he does a mini QT for 2 weeks to ensure health and that it's eating before giving me the call for the green light. But he's also a family owned single store front business. He doesnt stock many fish at all as hes mainly a coral dealer but he stocks clowns and yellow tangs due to popularity. Everything else he orders/finds upon request. Slightly more expensive than ordering from like LiveAquaria but i like his process and will pay a little extra to a LFS if their good to help their business.
 
There are so many things that contribute to fish casualties with new fish. It used to be that the supply chain kept their salinity at least 1.021 with most wholesalers running 1.025. Now most wholesalers keep their salinity at 1.018 or lower. In fact, salinity levels as low as 1.014 is very common at the So. Cal Wholesalers. Then the stores get these fish and do the typical fast acclimation which results in osmotic shock and a very high percentage of fish dying over the course of a month or so. Add to that, the collection methods, transport and handling etc. The end result is that a very high percentage of collected fish are doomed. Top that off with stores that run low salinity and customers who don't match bag water salinity or those who don't QT and treat fish for parasites and the rest is history.

It's pretty sad in my opinion and I think a big part of the issue is the wholesalers who keep extra low salinity levels in their fish systems. While some would say they do it to reduce parasites and stress, I think a big factor is cost savings on salt or salt water. Having been in the hobby for over 30 years, I can tell you that it used to not be that way. The survival rates were much higher many years back and I honestly believe that a part of the issue starts with the wholesalers salinity and ends with the retailers acclimation methods to this lower salinity water. In fact, most retailers don't even test their bag water salinity and are nieve to the fact that they are taking fish from extremely low salinity levels and acclimating them to 1.021 or high in a matter of an hour or two which just doesn't work.
Well said....my thoughts exactly.....!!!

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The parctices of many LFS leave much to be desired. One especially I hate is keeping captive bred fish in the same systems as wild caught. Captive bred have never neen exposed to most hazards so have no immunity. By adding them to the same systems as everything else they become exposed to countless diseases and parasites at once, pretty much condemning them to a quick death.
I think low salinity can be a benefit to the fishes health. It takes energy for fish to expell salt. By not having to do so the can better able to cope with other stressors. Like not eating for an extended time, parasites, disease, high ammonia levels. Low salinity kills or inhibits many parasites. I think the real issue is stores do inform customers of the low salinity and many people have no clue to check, let alone how to acclimate properly.
Sadly it is unrealistic for most stores to QT fish due to the cost of floor space, time and labor. For a store to really QT fish properly could easily double the cost we pay. Sadly most hobbyists do not QT at all.
 
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