I'm not quarantineing

[Jg2691]

Bought my first fish today. Two Ocellaris. Guy at the lfs told me to just acclimate and put it in the tank. I asked him how long he has the fish and their general health. He told me "I have $1000 worth of coral (fish was kept in a frag tank) in here. Do you think I would risk that for one fish?"


Guys i also have a general question. Should I feed them today or wait till tommorow? Bought some frozen fish food. https://www.liveaquaria.com/product/3747/?pcatid=3747 Same as the link. Any body have any experience with that brand?

 

[top shelf]

Well ultimately it's up to you and if you wanna risk it but I wouldn't. If you introduce anything your looking at up to 72 days fallow.

I don't care if they have it in with 10,000 worth of coral that makes no difference , I'm still doing qt.

You can try feeding right away they may eat they may not but usually a good sign if they start eating right away.

 

[Anemone]

Um, what has fish health have to do with coral health?

Answer: Let's see, what effect fish diseases have on coral -

Ich - none,
Velvet - none
Brooklynella - none
flukes - none

Hmm, yep, I'd be concerned about fish diseases in my frag tank. /sarcasm

Kevin

 

[oldhead]

Um, what has fish health have to do with coral health?

Answer: Let's see, what effect fish diseases have on coral -

Ich - none,
Velvet - none
Brooklynella - none
flukes - none

Hmm, yep, I'd be concerned about fish diseases in my frag tank. /sarcasm

Kevin

Yeah really, my fish killed all my coral said no one ever. Unless they ate them of course.

 

[accel]

Bought my first fish today. Two Ocellaris. Guy at the lfs told me to just acclimate and put it in the tank. I asked him how long he has the fish and their general health. He told me "I have $1000 worth of coral (fish was kept in a frag tank) in here. Do you think I would risk that for one fish?"


Guys i also have a general question. Should I feed them today or wait till tommorow? Bought some frozen fish food. https://www.liveaquaria.com/product/3747/?pcatid=3747 Same as the link. Any body have any experience with that brand?

TTM method worked for me and a hospital tank afterwards.

My TTM tanks are just a bunch of plastic containers with airline tubing, airstone, and air pumps. Nothing fancy.

The hospital tank is just a 20 gallon with two pvc pipes and a sponge filter. Again nothing fancy. It solved all the ich problems I had with my fishes.

 

[stingythingy45]

I take advice from fish store employees or even owner like a grain of salt.
Corals don't get Ich.

 

[top shelf]

Lfs are always so knowledgeable, tell nothing but the truth, and the only goal is to help you out. They would never lie to you just to make a sale. (Insert sarcastic tone)

Technically speaking anything wet has the possibility to carry ick, no matter how big or small that chance may be.

Also many times frag tanks are plumbed into the main system and I have seen on more then one occasion lfs have all there tanks plumbed together. Many reefers also plumb there frag tanks are multiple tanks to share one sump. Who knows the frag tank could be seperate as well from the main tanks, many people do that to. I guess I prefer to error on the side of caution and why take the risk if you don't need to. If all tanks are run together and the holding tanks have something the frag tank will as well. I suppose at the end of the day not my tank, not my problem but my opinion stands at qt.

 

[Tripod1404]

Um, what has fish health have to do with coral health?

Answer: Let's see, what effect fish diseases have on coral -

Ich - none,
Velvet - none
Brooklynella - none
flukes - none

Hmm, yep, I'd be concerned about fish diseases in my frag tank. /sarcasm

Kevin

Not to mention $1000 worth of coral in a tank for a LFS is like nothing. I have seen many LFS with +$50000 coral in one tank. Saying something like "I have $1000 worth of coral" here is just weird and sounds amateur. An average reefer probably has more than $1000 worth of coral in their tanks.

 

[Rover88]

Bought my first fish today. Two Ocellaris. Guy at the lfs told me to just acclimate and put it in the tank. I asked him how long he has the fish and their general health. He told me "I have $1000 worth of coral (fish was kept in a frag tank) in here. Do you think I would risk that for one fish?"


Guys i also have a general question. Should I feed them today or wait till tommorow? Bought some frozen fish food. https://www.liveaquaria.com/product/3747/?pcatid=3747 Same as the link. Any body have any experience with that brand?

Let me put it this way...


I'm currently going fallow for 2 and a half months and trying to treat all my fish because I didn't quarantine.

Ounce of prevention is better then a pound of cure. I wish I had quarantined.

 

[MondoBongo]

if you're not interesting in quarantineing, would you consider quarantining instead?

 

[hkgar]

I have significantly more than $1000 of corals in my 180 tank. heck I have over $1000 of fish in there too. Although I have no concern about my fish infecting my corals I would NEVER introduce a new fish to the DT without TTM. I used to, but eventually got caught and lost 9 fish to Ick. Get in the habit of TTM and don't look back.

 

[Dmorty217]

Um, what has fish health have to do with coral health?

Answer: Let's see, what effect fish diseases have on coral -

Ich - none,
Velvet - none
Brooklynella - none
flukes - none

Hmm, yep, I'd be concerned about fish diseases in my frag tank. /sarcasm

Kevin

+1 I would stop purchasing fish from that store if I were you. Take it from me, I have had 2 tank crashes in 20 years in the hobby due to disease and it cost me 10K in Fish... it’s just really not worth it

 

[mynorrodas]

Mmmmmm is up to you to quarentineing tank, I´ve never do that with my fish because I dont have another tank, but I think it is a good option to prevent diseases like velvet.

 

[Icewing726]

72 days fallow isn't what research showed. They showed that ichs life cycle takes that long at 50 something degrees. Besides whens the last time you've heard of ich killing a reef? Ive had ich outbreaks before and survived them without meds and no fish losses. Anyway flame away.

 

[Dmorty217]

72 days fallow isn't what research showed. They showed that ichs life cycle takes that long at 50 something degrees. Besides whens the last time you've heard of ich killing a reef? Ive had ich outbreaks before and survived them without meds and no fish losses. Anyway flame away.

That is the longest it has taken in a research setting. There are plenty of other accounts of it lasting 90+ days in a reef tank. Newbies worry about ich because that is all they really know about when just coming into the hobby. QT is for things like brook and velvet that have wiped out countless reef tanks

 

[nereefpat]

That was a strange comment from the LFS, for sure.

Keep in mind that, for a LFS, qt isn't really "their bag." It's completely up to the hobbyist to do that.

I wouldn't hesitate to take home a fish from anywhere, as long as the fish looks and acts healthy. However, knowing what I know now, no fish will go in my display without at least going through TTM and prazi.

 

[marinelife]

I would love to QT new fish, corals, etc. I just do not have room so I take the risk. I have not really had too many issues other than when I was trying to get a pair of Emperors. I think it was from the tank's temperature changes that cause several to die because as soon as I fixed the temp swing I got them to live. The other fish had no issues during this time.

 

[Bent]

72 days fallow isn't what research showed. They showed that ichs life cycle takes that long at 50 something degrees. Besides whens the last time you've heard of ich killing a reef? Ive had ich outbreaks before and survived them without meds and no fish losses. Anyway flame away.

Crypto can indeed kill fish.

Saying it can’t or won’t is like saying no one ever dies from influenza. It’s not only factually untrue, it’s ignorant. Whether that’s purposeful or not I’m really not sure.

Research says fish can become immune
Research says that a healthy fish’s immune system can fight it off.
Research and common sense also says that if the colony count is higher than the animals immune system can handle, then complications will arise just like any other disease.

 

[Icewing726]

Crypto can indeed kill fish.

Saying it can't or won't is like saying no one ever dies from influenza. It's not only factually untrue, it's ignorant. Whether that's purposeful or not I'm really not sure.

Research says fish can become immune
Research says that a healthy fish's immune system can fight it off.
Research and common sense also says that if the colony count is higher than the animals immune system can handle, then complications will arise just like any other disease.

Thanks for the flame but I didn't say it can't kill fish. I said ich isnt some super bug destroying entire reefs. Or to put it in your terms, the flu doesn't kill entire cities.

My point was everyone throws around this 72 day number and I truly wonder how many have seen the source documents. Ich isn't the worst thing to encounter in this hobby.

 

[MondoBongo]

Thanks for the flame but I didn't say it can't kill fish. I said ich isnt some super bug destroying entire reefs. Or to put it in your terms, the flu doesn't kill entire cities.

My point was everyone throws around this 72 day number and I truly wonder how many have seen the source documents. Ich isn't the worst thing to encounter in this hobby.

might want to double check your flu analogy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

plenty of other examples of how deadly "common" infections can be when incorrectly managed.

Bent isn't flaming. he's 100% correct.

as for the source documents, they're out there. simple google search will turn them right up.