In-wall 380gal tank - cut out options
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karimwassef
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The surge is initiated by my Apex, all I need is to use an outlet in my EB8 to turn on the 3 vacuum pumps just as the linear actuator valves are being opened. All 3 overflows can be pulled from minor overflow drains to full siphons.
If it work, it's no more difficult than 3 vacuum pumps plugged into the same outlet on the Apex with 3 airlines at each overflow pipe.
I'll try it by manually sucking a vacuum on one overflow first. If it works, I'll try to make a vid.
If the siphons can be activated, I might be able to add another 10 gals to the surge! Might need to upsize the buffer sump again... Too greedy.
The sump overflow during the surge is the main source of any bubbles now (not bad, but still there). If it siphons, that would eliminate them.
If it work, it's no more difficult than 3 vacuum pumps plugged into the same outlet on the Apex with 3 airlines at each overflow pipe.
I'll try it by manually sucking a vacuum on one overflow first. If it works, I'll try to make a vid.
If the siphons can be activated, I might be able to add another 10 gals to the surge! Might need to upsize the buffer sump again... Too greedy.
The sump overflow during the surge is the main source of any bubbles now (not bad, but still there). If it siphons, that would eliminate them.
karimwassef
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Here's the current state:
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Here's the new design under consideration:
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Here's the new design under consideration:
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karimwassef
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here's a video of the current overflow ... it's not quiet but it's better than the original BA at surge:
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muttley000
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That is an awesome amount of water! Are you done, or going to continue experimenting until you get it more quiet?
karimwassef
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The only sound and bubbles in my system now are the result of the overflow into the sump.
I'm going to experiment with three actuated overflows:
1. vaccum pump to activate the siphon
2. air solenoid to activate the siphon by blocking the intake air
3. pump to turn a normal overflow into a siphon by force filling it with water
The challenge is turning a low residual flow air filled overflow into a full siphon on demand and quietly AND then turn it back into an air filled overflow on demand and quietly.
If I can dial that in, I could use a BA for the non-surge overflow and run a truly super quiet and 100% bubble free system.
I'm going to experiment with three actuated overflows:
1. vaccum pump to activate the siphon
2. air solenoid to activate the siphon by blocking the intake air
3. pump to turn a normal overflow into a siphon by force filling it with water
The challenge is turning a low residual flow air filled overflow into a full siphon on demand and quietly AND then turn it back into an air filled overflow on demand and quietly.
If I can dial that in, I could use a BA for the non-surge overflow and run a truly super quiet and 100% bubble free system.
karimwassef
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Work is a cruel mistress. Can't get to it until the weekend...
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Added salt and sand
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Here's the skimmer running in salt water- the bubbles have gotten very fine
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Here's the boundary layer as expected by design
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Just fresh saltwater so no skimmate except for the dust from the new sand
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karimwassef
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All variables in check... Only pH is low (8.0), especially when running the skimmer.
Going to look into running an outside air inlet to minimize the CO2 injection from my garage air.
Going to look into running an outside air inlet to minimize the CO2 injection from my garage air.
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Sand came out great - I used a sieve to get the large shells out but overall very short settling time (minutes) since it came prewashed with nearly no dust. Got it from reefrocks - great guy.
Sand came out great - I used a sieve to get the large shells out but overall very short settling time (minutes) since it came prewashed with nearly no dust. Got it from reefrocks - great guy.
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The blue hue is from the shadow box. iPhone camera turns it very blue but it's softer in real life.
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Just shadow box at night
Just shadow box at night
Lavoisier
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Gorgeous. Outstanding work. It has been worth the wait (I hope I will not be too far behind you!) I absolutely love that skimmer. I know you mentioned it earlier but what are the dimensions--12' by 6"? I'm planning on eventually running two skimmers (wet and dry) and will try and emulate your wonderful diy beckett.
karimwassef
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Yes 12 foot x 6" diameter. It does require a dedicated circulating pump but the result is intense.
I am planning on turning both the surge and skimmer off during the night cycle to improve the plankton fauna viability. (Just an idea).
I am planning on turning both the surge and skimmer off during the night cycle to improve the plankton fauna viability. (Just an idea).
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