is it just me or have people gone nuts?

"i mean a year or two ago you could buy a colony of nice colored zoas for 40-60. now they are that much for a polyp.

so they add a silly name and now its outrageous prices."



It's not just you my friend,


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12983057#post12983057 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phljess
I guess it comes down to how you look at it. If your in the hobby to grow coral then just buy anything and keep it. I am sure you can find plenty of zoas, sps, or lps which are cheap. But if you are a "collector" you will have to pay for the ones that are hard to obtain. If you wait long enough though all of them decline in price eventually so I guess those who do not want to pay top price for coral need to just wait for them to go to clearance. There is something new that is hot for a while but then it fades eventually.


I have to respectfully disagree with this my friend.

"But if you are a "collector" you will have to pay for the ones that are hard to obtain."

It seems that hobbyist have been replaced by the word " collector". I disagree that you have to pay top dollar for the ones that are hard to obtain. I purchase a 2 inch colony of the large purple palys with 13 full dime size adults heads on a 2 inch rock for a LFS last week for $ 49.99. They sell from $ 50 to $ 100 in some places. There is but one explanation for this.


To date, I estimate I could have made over $ 20,000 in the past 3 years since the advent of names and sky high prices. Yes, that is true and that is the street value of what I could have sold my polyps for that I either gave away to help a newbie out or sold for $ 1 to $ 3 per polyp. I put on 3 polyp last week on one frag. Those polyps sell for $ 50 a piece, $ 65 a polyp on Ebay. That's over $ 200. Well, I better stop, this topic has been discussed many times and my opinions are known, so I'll leave this one here.

Hobbyist are being replaced with retailers. Nothing wrong with making a dollar to help support your expenses to run your tank. But when your entire tank is a frag tank and every new polyp is fragged and sold for gain, well, oops, I did it again.

I have to disagree, zoas and plays are not hard to keep. Again, if the time, money and effort that is placed into names and prices was equally placed upon education and knowledge, this hobby would be a breeze.

You're right Skeptic, it's good marketing.

Buy some vibrant colored polyps, get a good digital camera, set up a take, have 1 year in the hobby, get a polyp to grow, give them a cute names, and you're a ZOA GOD. :D

Mucho Reef
 
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Hey just look at the price of PPEs. WHY? There's nothing special about them, but look at what people are willing to pay. Only 4-5 years ago, Zo's were some of the most affordable corals listed for sale here and on other sites. I put a lot of the blame on zoaid.com. Then again, just look at the price of acans and all the Aussie corals that seem to be the current fad. I guess if people are willing to pay the ridiculous prices, it will continue.
 
Pure marketing. this website http://www.zoanthids.net/ MAY have played a role. hell, it worked on me. I want polyps like that because, i saw that site way back when i knew nothing. I just cannot bring myself to pay the price right now. I wont do it until i've got a few more years under my belt. Unless i can find them cheap, which probably isnt going to happen. Oh well, i just have to be patient.
 
Im not going to touch on the price or naming thing as im bored with the conversatiomn....but I am going to touch on the difficulty thing.

Zoas are NOT easier than sps imo and I am a sps guy first and foremmost. When i lose an sps....there is usually a reason, unlike polyps which just go with no rhyme or reason to it. No, I never had this problem when I didnt care about them and only kept a dozen diferent kinds. But now that I have lots of different kinds, they are surely harder and more fickle than sps in a super stable system. I hardly ever lose any sps colonies or frags.........I cant say the same about my prized polyps

jmo
 
Fly, why do you think you are loosing them? I know it sounds dumb to ask, if you knew why, you'd correct it I'm sure. Just wondering what you're thoughts might me on this. Any ideas?


Mucho Reef
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13019847#post13019847 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MUCHO REEF
Fly, why do you think you are loosing them? I know it sounds dumb to ask, if you knew why, you'd correct it I'm sure. Just wondering what you're thoughts might me on this. Any ideas?


Mucho Reef

To be honest, the ones I have had a hard time with lately(the last year)are some of the ones at the top of the list of the "most difficult to keep" threads.

There have been a couple of others that I have gotten as small frags not make it but I have well over a hundred different morphs and do add stuff all the time.
I think much of it goes to the fact that zoas are more fickle shippers as well. LOL. Hows that for a controversial statement?? :D

I ship and recieve lots. I all but never lose any sps shipping. Again, polyps can be fickle and tough in shipping and sometimes end up in rough shape are tough to bring out of it. They can linger in poor shape for a month or two (or more)before they go
, whereas if a sps shows up in rough shape if i can make any part of it last pastthe first few days I can save it.



SPS are more predictable.


jmo :)
 
Is it that they are more difficult to keep or is it the regional requirements that differ from one polyp to the next that might make it difficult? No I'm not trying to cut you down either LOL, I'm only asking. I guess I just don't see zoanthids and palythoas being difficult to keep at all. I think the key is finding polyps from compatible regions that like ones specific tank conditions. As you know, they come from vastly different regions, some shallow water, some deeper water, some pristine water, some from high nutrient rich water that's murky, some from high turbulence and some from calmer regions, some close to the shore and some from deeper water. This is where and why I'm so big on weekly testing and documenting how everything looks based upon any changes I made that particular week. I truly that this is the reasons many polyps fail in captivity. I try to find a happy medium and then work very diligently to keep my parameters at a level that everything in my tank thrives in. Just my 2 cents is all. Hang tough my friend.

I have an idea, could you share a pic of 3 polyps which have been the most challenging to keep? Maybe everyone can share a pic of what hasn't done well for them. Maybe someone else who has them and their polyps are doing well could share what they are doing to achieve their success. It's just an idea.


Mucho Reef

PS, I think you should post this as a new topic in this forum . It would be interesting to hear the responses. Your call.

"I think much of it goes to the fact that zoas are more fickle shippers as well. LOL. Hows that for a controversial statement??"
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13031102#post13031102 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MUCHO REEF
Is it that they are more difficult to keep or is it the regional requirements that differ from one polyp to the next that might make it difficult?


Most likely on the geographic thing you are correct. tuhe stubborn reefkeeper in me cant accept I cant keep them anyway. :)

Darth mauls are a standout polyp I cant keep. Ive failed 4 times now. The worst part about it is the first ones I tried I got to grow quickly from 2-5 polyps......then I fragged one off and lost them all :rollseyes: the other ones never grew. showed up healthya nd then just slowly dwindled away
 
Re: is it just me or have people gone nuts?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12853820#post12853820 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by onegreenray
i mean a year or two ago you could buy a colony of nice colored zoas for 40-60. now they are that much for a polyp.

so they add a silly name and now its outrageous prices.


amazing what people will pay for these things now a days.

acans are just as bad, used to be the corals no one wanted in the pet store...lol



My apologies onegreenray, seems I took your post off topic. Just realized it, sorry again. I'll PM you Flyyguy.

Mucho
 
Maybe next season, trumpet corals will be all the rage. :rollface:
I can see it now "Green Ice Neon Trumpet, ultra rare Aussie trumpet, and of course the ultra, ever unavailable Trumpet Armor...of God".
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13032955#post13032955 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by IridescentLily
seapug groupie


LOL

I want a cute groupie too. :( :)


sorry...was that OT???

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13032990#post13032990 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by flyyyguy
LOL

I want a cute groupie too. :( :)


sorry...was that OT???

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I was wondering if that was noticeable lol.

But eh....Yes, crazy zoanthid pricing for naming and such!
Just in looking at various sites on the web, it seems that if a zoanthid has any fluorescense (sp?) to it, it's going to be higher in price. And if it has striations in it's zoa "face" area that are also fluorescent looking, well, it's even higher in price.
I can kind of see how those kinds of markings would snowball into being a "supply and demand" thing. But the color thing has me confused a bit. I don't know, are certain colors hard to propogate? I'm wondering if that's why the increase in price seeingly for a certain color. I'm new and so still kind of ignorant about the whole zoa thing, but I do notice certain things in common on various reef sites. For instance, the red zoanthids always seem to be more in price. Is that because red is hard to find, or hard to propogate somehow? Dunno.
 
"Is that because red is hard to find, or hard to propogate somehow? Dunno."

IridescentLily, I can assure you that's not the reason. Many new reefers are just misinformed about the truth and think these prices are the norm and pay those prices.

Mucho
 
Darth mauls are a standout polyp I cant keep. Ive failed 4 times now. The worst part about it is the first ones I tried I got to grow quickly from 2-5 polyps......then I fragged one off and lost them all :rollseyes: the other ones never grew. showed up healthya nd then just slowly dwindled away

There is your porblem right there... Its blatently obvious my friend... You fragged a frag.
 
thank you for your brilliant insight.

Its amazing I havent killed thousands of polyps due to my lack of experience, and negligence in fragging

it was only ONE of those instances the polyps were fragged that I lost. But that doesnt matter to you becasue it fits in with what you parrot out daily.


its also blatantly obvious from reading your old posts, that you massively imbellish how long you have been reefing, and that your tanks are filled with massive amounts of nuisance algae, but whos paying attention eh??


sorry, woke up on the wrong side of the bed. I am so, so sick of the broken record that is sharkboy and a couple of others. you guys bring nothing to this or any forum you post in. just incessant whining

Incidentally. I now have a decent sized colony of these polyps going, and have had it for a couple of years now

Was just stating the obvious brother... You should never frag a frag... It simply ends badly... I will simply ask if its such brilliant insight, why did you do it in the first place? I am sorry that I apparently touched a soft spot...

Filled with massive amounts of nuisance algea??? :lmao::lmao:
I do not know why you chose to lash out of control in an unsuitible manner. You know nothing about me.
I am not even going to dignify your childish comments with a further responce...
Go back to bed
 
Business, pure business.
Like we were talking in another thread (the one I was shocked!!!), pure business.
Like they posted before, many wild colonies come to the market to be "fragged" and sold as "farmed frags"...
If we buy, they'll sell...
If I sell and you buy, I'll be $ happy $!
The new sellers will get to the $ game $ as it is...
$now ball.
Grandis.
 
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