Is there a "standard" protocol for Bayer dips?

Sounds like there's quite a bit of support for the Complete Insect Killer at 20mL per cup for 15 minutes. As long as it's not harming corals, why use anything less? I have heard of some smooth skin Acros being less tolerant of dips, but I don't remember if that was Bayer or RPS All Out.
 
I would say that I use 20 ml per cup for 15 min. Been doing this for 1.5 years with good results, haven't lost an SPS to it yet. I don't really even measure any more. I put the SPS into my dip container that has enough water to cover the coral and then I just start pouring in the bayer advanced complete until it almost turns the water white. Then I leave in for 15 min, rinse with tank water and add to my tank.
 
penfold2 said:
Sounds like there's quite a bit of support for the Complete Insect Killer at 20mL per cup for 15 minutes. As long as it's not harming corals, why use anything less? I have heard of some smooth skin Acros being less tolerant of dips, but I don't remember if that was Bayer or RPS All Out.
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I dip my smooth skins in 10 ml for 5 minutes. They lose their color for a week but come right back. Yes the Complete is the best. It is available everywhere including Home Depot. FYI acro crabs last about a millisecond in this stuff so be sure to remove any good ones before dipping.
 
penfold2 said:
There is a lot of variation in time and dosage for Bayer. Even the product itself varies, with some people using Complete Insect Killer, and some using Home Pest plus Germ Killer. These two products each have one active ingredient missing in the other, and the one active ingredient they have in common (b-cyfluthrin) has very different concentrations in each product. This makes it very difficult to determine which ingredients(s) are effective, and what concentration people are actually using. I use Complete Insect Killer which has about 7 times more b-cyfluthrin than Home Pest plus Germ Killer. I use it at a concentration of 10mL per 1/2 cup for 15 minutes. I've only used it on a couple of Acros so far, but they tolerated it just fine and it definitely killed red bugs for me. This is probably near the upper limit of what most people use, but it seems to be very effective and harmless to corals so far. I'm going to continue with this practice on all my new Acros.
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I got curious about the differences between the two, so looked up the different chemicals. The Complete Insect Killer contains Imidicloprid and b-cyfluthrin, both of which are used for killing invertebrates. The Home Pest plus Germ Killer contains Sodium 2-biphenylate and b-cyfluthrin, the first one being a general bacteria and fungus killer. The Complete Insect Killer has the higher concentrations of the active ingredients, so you probably wouldn't have to use as much to get the same effect as you would the Home Pest plus Germ Killer.

As a fun fact, imidicloprid is the same ingredient in the Advantage II you put on your dogs and cats for flea control.
 
Ryphen said:
I got curious about the differences between the two, so looked up the different chemicals. The Complete Insect Killer contains Imidicloprid and b-cyfluthrin, both of which are used for killing invertebrates. The Home Pest plus Germ Killer contains Sodium 2-biphenylate and b-cyfluthrin, the first one being a general bacteria and fungus killer. The Complete Insect Killer has the higher concentrations of the active ingredients, so you probably wouldn't have to use as much to get the same effect as you would the Home Pest plus Germ Killer.

As a fun fact, imidicloprid is the same ingredient in the Advantage II you put on your dogs and cats for flea control.
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Good info, thanks.
 
has anyone had the tips of the acros 'burned' (for lack of a better term) as a result of the dip.
I've had it happen on a few occasions, twice on deepwaters and most recently on a milli.
Every other time, no issues at all.
I use Complete Insect Killer Concentrate @ 2.5ml per 1000ml of tank water.
 
Anyone else use the Germ killer? I think that is the one that was used originally in the other thread. Ironically, I normally do 10-15 ml per GALLON. This seems ironic to me as everyone is posting it has less of the active ingredient. This solution stays clear. At these levels, I seem to have issues with my cleaner shrimp afterwards - they survive but act lethargic for a day. The last time I dipped corals, it was only the one that went to investigate the new additions. I also rinse well afterwards.

I have never lost any corals 100% to this dip. The one thing I will say is that if you are dipping acros from your tank, I would change out the water after 2-3 dips. I have had some acros in dips later that take a hit. I don't know if the pests release toxins, water temps get too goofy, other params get off too much, or what it is, but i have noticed it twice now.
 
what about for softies, frogspawn & hammers?

what about for softies, frogspawn & hammers?

I won't be doing any SPS coral, just leathers, mushrooms, zoas, frogspawn & hammers, would the Bayer be ok for them? or should I use something else?
 
Yesterday I dipped an acro in a 10mL Bayer : 1 cup ratio for about 6 minutes. When I poured out the upper layers and looked in the bottom of the dipping container, there were AEFW everywhere. I rinsed, waited 30 minutes, toothbrushed some eggs off the base, then dipped again for 10 minutes.

Afterwards, I put the acro on my frag rack and it had normal PE within 3-4 hours!
 
Ryphen said:
I got curious about the differences between the two, so looked up the different chemicals. The Complete Insect Killer contains Imidicloprid and b-cyfluthrin, both of which are used for killing invertebrates. The Home Pest plus Germ Killer contains Sodium 2-biphenylate and b-cyfluthrin, the first one being a general bacteria and fungus killer. The Complete Insect Killer has the higher concentrations of the active ingredients, so you probably wouldn't have to use as much to get the same effect as you would the Home Pest plus Germ Killer.

As a fun fact, imidicloprid is the same ingredient in the Advantage II you put on your dogs and cats for flea control.
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Just something you might want to test......I have read, and I can't remember where now, that a dosage of 25ml per cup for 15 minutes will kill the eggs. I would not try that on something that is important but maybe experiment and see what happens. Sorry, those things are the worse but at least you have a frag tank.
 
Side note: when I was testing various concoctions to kill AEFW, I bought some pure b-cyfluthrin and it had zero effect on the flatworms. So I think it's something else that is targeting the flatworms.

I'll look and see if I still have the bottle to see what the breakdown was on it.
 
It would be nice to know which active ingredients attack which pests and then decipher the minimum effective dosage for each.
 
My guess was that b-cyfluthrin was the effective ingredient in CIK (Complete Insect Killer) and HPPGK (Home Pest Plus Germ Killer) since that is the one active ingredient they have in common. But if flamron is right about b-cyfluthrin having no effect on AEFW, then that means that CIK and HPPGK are utilizing different ingredients to achieve the same effect.

flamron, did you ever check the label on your bottle? And are you saying you put the flatworms in pure b-cyfluthrin, or some dilution with saltwater?
 
It was diluted - but the concentration was tremendously higher. I don't recall the dosage.

I haven't found the bottle yet - too much fish stuff! I'll keep looking as I can.
 
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