Is this the exciting future of Live Rock? Must See!!!

I'm a previous customer of TBS, my old 240G was seeded by "The Package", and it was glorious. I loved that rock. It was literally teeming with life in every pore, but there were a couple of things I didn't like (in order of seriousness):
  • There are indeed *undesirable* hitchhikers. I never did get rid of one of the Mantis shrimps until the old tank was taken down. I got my fair share of gorilla crabs too. I found out that a 1W laser is a cool way to deal with Aiptasia :)
  • The rock I got was in fact a bit dense, it wasn't the porous holey type of rock, it was the solid, heavy type of rock.
  • I absolutely hated putting the rock into the tank. No matter what orientation I chose, there was going to be something dying because it'd be face down on the sand. Dammit, Richard!
I'm guessing [1] is still a problem, [2] is now solved using the new rock, and [3] is a bit tongue-in-cheek.

I have a new 400G tank being set up (the old inhabitants are in the shed awaiting their new home). I already have 300 lbs of new "live" sand and a number of rocks I want to re-use after power-washing them, but I'm going to probably "top up" with a 190-gallon package from TBS; using the new rock, of course :)

You don't get a much better recommendation than someone who comes back and spends a whole bunch of cash with you again. Way to go, Richard.

Simon
 
If I missed this, I apologize. I read the entire thread but didn't think about this until the end. Any pictures of the Live sand? Also it sounds like it is a variety of sea bed material rather than the more uniform sand for the LFS. I'm curious how big the pieces get in the LS. Reason i'm asking is i'm hoping to do a 180g next year and plan to do a 4-5" sand bed for a blue dot jawfish and i'm wondering if this sand would have enough variety for a jawfish to line its burrow. Also, would a standard sand bed calculator work to determine how much sand to order?

Great thread and I'm really liking what I'm reading about The Package.
 
Never owned it, so just guessing. If it is indeed faster, it doesn't seem likely it's due to the composition being "better" than reef rock but more likely the rock shape/structure being more inviting.

Guess #1 that the mechanism behind it is that more porous rock allows faster diffusion of nutrients from the exterior water to some depth within the rock. Lots of organisms should find that beneficial.

Guess #2 that the rock surface might be "rougher" on a small scale than reef rock which would provide more surface area interface between rock and water, and therefore more area for microscopic life to congregate, and therefore jumpstart the colonization process.

People who have experience with the rock can comment on whether either of those are plausibly true.
I'm gonna second Guess #2. Most rock has been eroded down to relative smoothness, and Walt's rock has not (even if it was never as porous/detailed as genuine rock.
 
A couple of observations about life being attracted to the Walt Smith rock. Since it is volcanic in origin then the rock is laced with microscopic pores which are perfect for huge populations of aerobic and anaerobic bacteria feeding the next higher levels on the food chain. There is also I'm sure a very high level of sulfur which also feeds the microfauna, much like life surrounding deep sea vents. Any thoughts about long term effects of putting volcanic based rock with its soup of chemicals in a closed system as opposed to a simple traditional calcium carbonate live rock?
 
Considering that so many reefs are built on or around volcanos, Hawaii being the obvious one that comes to mind and of course they're sourcing the volcanic pumice from Fijian waters I suspect it's just fine. Also just about every atoll is formed on an extinct seamount or submerged volcano.

Perhaps some more studies need to be conducted about the use of volcanic rock in closed systems. Maybe there is some real benefits. Like extremely efficent denitrification. It would be interesting to know.
 
If I missed this, I apologize. I read the entire thread but didn't think about this until the end. Any pictures of the Live sand? Also it sounds like it is a variety of sea bed material rather than the more uniform sand for the LFS. I'm curious how big the pieces get in the LS. Reason i'm asking is i'm hoping to do a 180g next year and plan to do a 4-5" sand bed for a blue dot jawfish and i'm wondering if this sand would have enough variety for a jawfish to line its burrow. Also, would a standard sand bed calculator work to determine how much sand to order?

Great thread and I'm really liking what I'm reading about The Package.

Here.....

http://tbsaltwater.com/ordering/pricelist.html

pictures!

sea ya
Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com
 
The sand is great, varied but still "sandy." The main difference in this and bagged sand is a few larger pieces of coral rubble or shells. It looks very natural obviously. If you don't like the few larger pieces just use a clean cat litter scoop to take them out. I kind of misspoke, the main difference is the life that comes in it. Every time I vacuum my sand I have to let it settle and pick out all of the critters from the discard bucket to avoid feeling guilty. The crabs and mantis that people are stuck on aren't that big of deal. I had two mantis shrimp in my two shipments, caught the first one no problem, kept the second for a couple of years in the display. I caught it eating a snail on video once, much more fascinating than disruptive. I fed him with frozen food on a stick or tongs, he was quite awesome. I had a couple of gorillas, but they haven't hurt anything. I know the stories of fish killers in both cases, but neither species ever hurt my fish which are all small, gramma, clowns, yellow and sixline wrasse. I could catch the gorillas if I wanted to, just food on a stick after they get used to you. The thing that should be focused on is the awesome array of really cool life. Baby urchins the size of a dime that grow into algae eating baseballs that you can keep, sell or trade. Limpets, porcelain crabs, cup corals, sponges, tunicates, mini brittles. They all add such a dimension to the tank. I didn't add coral for months just because it was so entertaining to watch the natural fauna. I will admit, some of the life just doesn't last forever in the less than ideal conditions. The barnacles, oysters and some of the macro sponges only lasted months to a couple of years. Newer tank was purchased used and was started from dry rock and bagged sand. It seems like a desert sitting next to an old growth rain Forrest, devoid. Kind of sad actually.
 
Looking at the live rock...any idea what these guys are?
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Are there any people here who have had long term success in keeping some of the creatures (barnacle, sponges, tunicates) that come on these rocks alive? What's your advice?
 
Are there any people here who have had long term success in keeping some of the creatures (barnacle, sponges, tunicates) that come on these rocks alive? What's your advice?

Long term? ...I want on that bandwagon.....LOL

I think the key is to enjoy it while you have it...but as you know....nothing lives forever....use all the regular foods folks use and keep your nose stuck to the glass....looking....at the life...

Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com
 
This looks like some really cool rock.

Question for Richard and those who have this rock in there tank.

Does the rock have a lot of Aiptaisia and bubble algae. My reason for using dry rock in my last build was to eliminate these 2 PITA's. That'd be my only worry if I were to use this in my future build, so just wanted to find out from you on that one.
 
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