Kelley's 37 gal system. from the start

The 2 tub methods worked great! I shook the heck out the rock and simply put it into the other tub. When I was done, the water in the first tub was dark and there was a layer of sand and junk completely covering the bottom. I think a few more shakes back and forth from tub to tub will remove a lot of stuff that will make the rock better in the long run.
 
Just checked my LR and did a 100% water change. The parameters this time were:

Ammonia - 0.50
Nitrites - 2.00
Nitrates - 10.0
Temp - 80.0
ph - 8.4
Salinty - 33 ppt

I am actually somewhat surprised. The ammonia is down and the nitrites are already on the rise. We are cycling now! :p
 
That is looking really good so far. Like everyone has already said, you have defiantly put some thought into this. Should be promising... :) I'm going to stick around.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8474790#post8474790 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InvaderJim
That is looking really good so far. Like everyone has already said, you have defiantly put some thought into this. Should be promising... :) I'm going to stick around.

Thank you also. Glad you're sticking around. :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8465815#post8465815 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kelley_mc
After talking to someone at Coralife, the silencer appears to be defective. They will be sending out a new one. Skimmer works great, hopefully the silencer will tone the sound down a bit.

I drilled the blocked side of the silencer out and gave it a try. Wow! What a difference, the skimmer is very quiet.
 
Just checked my LR and did a 100% water change. The parameters this time were:

Ammonia - 0.50
Nitrites - 0.50
Nitrates - 10.0
Temp - 81
ph - 8.4
Salinty - 33 ppt

Wow. Nitrites are already dropping. I received this rock 3 days ago and the ammonia and nitrites levels are dropping. I know the water changes are keeping them low, however I am surprised that the die-off is quickly being converted to nitrates leaving little ammonia and nitrites behind. I will probably do 1 more 100% water change and then back off to 50% after one more day.
 
Checked my LR and did a 100% water change. The parameters this time were:

Ammonia - 0.50
Nitrites - 2.00
Nitrates - 15.00
Temp - 81
ph - 8.4
Salinty - 34 ppt

Nitrites are back up and nitrates continue to rise.
 
Today I performed the wet test on the system and the results were mixed. The system is not silent and the noise is not acceptable considering the setup will be in my living room. The main source of the noise if coming from the drain section of the sump. Here is an image of the water running to this section:

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If anyone has any suggestions on quieting this section down, please let me know. I came across a thread somewhere that had a design for the bottom of the drain that released the air above the surface of the water. This reduced the bubbles in the drain which in turn made the drain nearly silent. I will try to locate that.

The good thing is the sump performed pretty well. The baffles heights were OK and the system had plenty of room to hold the water when the power was off. Also, even though there were many bubbles in the drain section, the refugium was bubbles free. The bubble traps worked perfectly. Here is a poor image of the refugium.

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The Calfo box worked PERFECTLY! I was thrilled about this. The water just skimmed right over the top.

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The problem with the Calfo box was that there is a slow leak on the right side. This has no effect on the actual performance of the overflow. However, if the power goes out, the water level in the display will not drop to the level of the top of the Calfo box, but the the level of the bulkheads. That would cause a flood because the sump cannot handle that much additional water. I will check my silicone work and make the necessary patch.

Finally, I do need to drill siphon break holes in the manifold. The water that drains when the power is shutoff to the level of the manifold is too much for the sump to handle. Once I drill a couple siphon break holes, this should not be a problem.
 
Checked my LR and did a 100% water change. The parameters this time were:

Ammonia - 0.50
Nitrites - 0.75
Nitrates - 15.00
Temp - 81
ph - 8.4
Salinty - 34 ppt
 
Has anyone tried this? I found this on the Drs Foster and Smith website:

Helpful Tips for Controlling Unwanted Pests:

Before (or after) curing your newly arrived live rock, you can submerse the new rock into a bucket filled with saltwater with a specific gravity of 1.035 to 1.040 for one minute. Any invertebrates including: mantis shrimp, bristle worms, and crabs, will quickly evacuate from the rock into the bucket of water. Bristle worms still attached to the rock can be removed with a pair of needle-nosed pliers or tweezers. After removing the live rock from the bucket, you can then sort through the invertebrates in the bucket that you will want to add to your system, and discard all of the unwanted pests.
 
I just came across this in another post and I think I will try this first to quiet my sump. I like this design because it does not use additional sump space.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8495524#post8495524 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Travis L. Stevens
Make a bubble extracter.

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I just checked my LR and the parameters this time were:

Ammonia - 0.00
Nitrites - 0.00
Nitrates - 0.00
Temp - 78
ph - 8.4
Salinty - 34 ppt

Looks like the cycle is complete! Last night when I did my water change, I shook the rock as I normally do before transferring it to the other rubbermaid container. After all the rock was moved, I looked through what I had shaken out of the rock and there was a small shrimp, maybe about a 1/2" long. I took of sniff of him and WoooWeeee... nasty. I would be surprised if such a little guy was the last decaying matter in my rock, but I am thrilled that today it appears to be totally cycled! The lack of nitrate buildup after last nights 100% water change is also encouraging leaving me to believe there is little die-off left. I am a long way from setting up my new display that this rock is going to be living in, so at some point I will move it all to a 29 gal aquarium with better lighting and let is live on its own for a while.

This was a fast cycle. Great rock from Salty Critter.

No water change today. I will continue to test daily and see how it is doing.
 
I moved the LR from the rubbermaid containers to a 29 gal tank. I installed the skimmer, heater and powerhead. I also changed the light to a 130 watt 50/50 PC. At the same time I increased the length of time the lights are on from 6 hours per day to 8 hours per day. I will slowly work the time up to 12 hours.

The reason for the move is that it gives me the ability to let the rock sit in more water than the rubbermaid containers can allow. My hope is that this will slow the nitrate buildup. Here is an image.

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I test the water today and the parameters were:

Ammonia - 0.00
Nitrites - 0.25
Nitrates - 5.00
Temp - 78
ph - 8.4
Salinty - 35 ppt

With some nitrites showing up again, there is obviously still some die-off occurring. Once I maintain undetectible levels of ammonia and nitrites, I will add a cleanup crew in with the live rock. When my display is finally completed, I will move the rock and crew all at once. In the meantime, hopefully the cleanup crew will help keep any algae under control.
 
It's been a while since I've posted. Progress has been slow with the holidays coming but I have moved along.

A. The live rock is doing well in it's temporary home. Fully cycled and diatoms are starting to grow. I added the cleanup crew last week and they are doing a great job getting the diatoms cleaned up. My cleanup crew consists of a nice mix of critters:

Snails
4 Trochus Snails
1 Mexican Turbo Snail
7 Cerith Snails

Crabs
5 Scarletts Hermits
1 Emerald Crab
1 Pom Pom Crab

Shrimp
2 Peppermint Shrimp
1 Skunk Cleaner Shrimp

Other
1 Brittle Star

B. Began construction of the stand. So far the side panels and front frame has been constructed of 3/4" oak. This will make the stand quite heavy but should help reduce sound from the sump.

C. Initially, I was happy with the sump design. However, after thinking about it more, I decided to change my layout. Here is an image of the original sump design.

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My 2 concerns were that there was limited room available for tank overflow during power outage. It would hold and did OK during the wet test, but I would prefer not to cut it as close as it was. In order to correct this, I will lower the baffler heights by a couple inches. That will give me more than enough room for drainage during a power outage.

My other concern was the small size of the return section. I would be adding water twice a day to keep it at the proper levels. Unfortunately, because of the location of the tank, an auto top-off is not possible. I plan on removing the baffles between the refugium and return section. This will give me a large area of water that can be pumped up. The danger of this is that more water can potentially flood if the drains get blocked. However, each bulkhead can accomodate the entire system flow. So if one gets blocked, the other should be able to handle the flow. In order to cause any problems with the drains, both bulkheads would have to be blocked. It is possible, but I think the chances are remote. To keep my live sand, live rock and cheato away from the pump, I will use eggcrate to surround the pump with a couple inches of acrylic along the bottom. This will keep everything away from the pump. I will post pics once the sump is completed.

D. I was also not happy with the noise the drains were making. You can see from this pic how much air was coming down with the water.

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I did some research on ways to quiet the sump. Using some of the theories of what I found, I am going to redesign my lower drain section where the water enters the sump. I think I can come up with a way of allowing the air to escape before it enters the water in the sump.

Wow... long post. Sorry about that. I will post pics as I move along.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8725561#post8725561 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MJT82
Cool! I'm gonna tag along for this one... Can't wait to see it when you get it stocked!

Happy to have you along!
 
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