*Kole Tang Help*

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13437823#post13437823 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by r0bin
Again I disagree. I dipped my yellow tang 3 times due to black ich and to see his reaction in the bucket and after being put into the tank you would know it is stressful. You are taking a fish that is made to be saltwater and putting it in freshwater, why would you not think this was stressful? Do you think its enjoyable to the fish, think about it. Anyway to each his own, but I would not do it to a new Qt'd fish who has already been through enough stress in being transfered from petstore to home qt, then to main tank. Besides FW dips do not stop ick anyway, which was this persons concern. I do think FW dips have merit at times, but not in this case.

That's fine it's your opinion... I'm just telling you you're wrong, and spreading false information.

I FW dipped my Powder Blue Tang for the same reason 3 times.

Shortest dip was 4 minutes. 3rd dip was 6 minutes. It swam around, and remained active in the tank the entire time. The first dip was a little nerve racking, but after that it was perfectly fine on the following two.

What adverse reactions are you worried about resulting from the FW dip that would warrant not performing one?

Also, QT isn't stressful... again with the "myths"

As far as the "is this enjoyable for the fish" remark. I won't even address that. :rolleye1:

 

[r0bin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13437958#post13437958 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tswifty8
That's fine it's your opinion... I'm just telling you you're wrong, and spreading false information.

I FW dipped my Powder Blue Tang for the same reason 3 times.

Shortest dip was 4 minutes. 3rd dip was 6 minutes. It swam around, and remained active in the tank the entire time. The first dip was a little nerve racking, but after that it was perfectly fine on the following two.

What adverse reactions are you worried about resulting from the FW dip that would warrant not performing one?

Also, QT isn't stressful... again with the "myths"

As far as the "is this enjoyable for the fish" remark. I won't even address that. :rolleye1:

Your tang may have taken it well, but mine did not. Mine yellow laid listless on the bottom of the bucket and would only move when disturbed by the ariline tubing that an airstone was connected to. When added back o the main tank its color was so pale it was white, and would hider until the next day. The next day it would appear to be fine and this procedure did cure the black ich. I don't know what your idea of stressful is, but this is mine.

Qt can be stressful on a newly aquired fish due to water quality and the fish not being in a more natural enviroment including live rock and such.

If FW dips are not stressful then why don't you just put all of your fish in freshwater from now on and the can all become freshwater fish instead.

:lol:

It is not false information to say fw dips are stressful and QT also, its fact. Just exactly what were you having this guy cure with the FW dip anyway? The fish had been in QT for 4 weeks and had no signs of anything. Are you trying to cure it of ick or what? FW dips are only good for external parasites which he would have seen by now.

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13438153#post13438153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by r0bin
If FW dips are not stressful then why don't you just put all of your fish in freshwater from now on and the can all become freshwater fish instead.

Great argument. :rolleye1:

You obviously performed your dip wrong, or purchased a dying fish.

You've learned so much "Since 2004"

 

[r0bin]

My fish did not get black ick until I purchased another fish that had it. I had the tang for three years before it aquired it. I did not do the dip wrong but I appreciate you "knowing it all." Seems like you can't handle a difference of opinion, thats sad. I don't see either of us as being wrong, just a difference of opinion. The guys fish seems like it is doing well and I am glad, just let it go. There really is no need to get nasty.

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13438242#post13438242 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by r0bin
I appreciate you "knowing it all."

:thumbsup:

btw... it's not an "opinion"

you're flat out wrong.

 

[r0bin]

Just can't let it go can ya....nice

 

[chatyak]

lol fellas. all is well so far. The tang has its own personal dentist now (blood shrimp).... it eats some algae off the rock and then heads over to mr. shrimp and opens its mouth... shrimp performs a root canal and then mr. tang continues on. all seems to be going fine.

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13438346#post13438346 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by r0bin
Just can't let it go can ya....nice

I'll put it this way...

There are definitely many ways to do things in this hobby... no one way better than another.

However, your experience HARDLY can be called "fact" and to state such, or caution other reefers against performing fresh water dips is just plain poor advice. Furthermore, to continue to argue your false "opinion" shows how you clearly lack a fundamental understanding of the hobby which you claim to have experience in "Since 2004."

One of the sad things about ReefCentral is that for every one good factual piece of information, about 10 pieces of wrong information is spread.

Take temperature or salinity for instance. Hobbyists keep these parameters all over the map. However there is absolutely no evidence that states a fish will benefit from a SG level lower than 1.025/6, and you can actually cause damage over time to your fish by keeping it lower. Furthermore, as greenbean posts numerous times daily, the worldwide avg temperature for reefs is around 82 with optimal temperature for reef diversity ranging between 82-84 degrees.

To infer that Fresh Water dips provide no benefit, or in fact add "stress" to the fish is a ridiculous statement. Once again, as Albugin pointed out, this is standard operating practice for numerous aquariums.

Also, to infer that by fresh water dipping livestock you should keep marine fish in freshwater only highlights your ignorance.

I suggest you do some more reading before posting anymore "advice" and would caution any reefers who read this statement to think twice before listening to ANYTHING you have to say.

Oh and to state that I can't "drop" something, when you continually post a cheap shot remarks after my post shows how shallow you really are.

In conclusion, I'll stick to my guns here... If in fact you did have your "healthy tang" for 3 years prior to the fresh water dip as you stated. You screwed up the dip, or waited to long to take action against the parasite... bottom line.

Good day and good luck... hopefully you take the time to research some more before taking uneducated and unfounded shots at another reefer.

 

[cloak]

A Kole tang has always been a tricky fish for me. Kinda like xenia...

 

[r0bin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13440049#post13440049 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tswifty8
I'll put it this way...

There are definitely many ways to do things in this hobby... no one way better than another.

However, your experience HARDLY can be called "fact" and to state such, or caution other reefers against performing fresh water dips is just plain poor advice. Furthermore, to continue to argue your false "opinion" shows how you clearly lack a fundamental understanding of the hobby which you claim to have experience in "Since 2004."

One of the sad things about ReefCentral is that for every one good factual piece of information, about 10 pieces of wrong information is spread.

Take temperature or salinity for instance. Hobbyists keep these parameters all over the map. However there is absolutely no evidence that states a fish will benefit from a SG level lower than 1.025/6, and you can actually cause damage over time to your fish by keeping it lower. Furthermore, as greenbean posts numerous times daily, the worldwide avg temperature for reefs is around 82 with optimal temperature for reef diversity ranging between 82-84 degrees.

To infer that Fresh Water dips provide no benefit, or in fact add "stress" to the fish is a ridiculous statement. Once again, as Albugin pointed out, this is standard operating practice for numerous aquariums.

Also, to infer that by fresh water dipping livestock you should keep marine fish in freshwater only highlights your ignorance.

I suggest you do some more reading before posting anymore "advice" and would caution any reefers who read this statement to think twice before listening to ANYTHING you have to say.

Oh and to state that I can't "drop" something, when you continually post a cheap shot remarks after my post shows how shallow you really are.

In conclusion, I'll stick to my guns here... If in fact you did have your "healthy tang" for 3 years prior to the fresh water dip as you stated. You screwed up the dip, or waited to long to take action against the parasite... bottom line.

Good day and good luck... hopefully you take the time to research some more before taking uneducated and unfounded shots at another reefer.

There are so many mis-statements in this rant its rediculous. I never stated anything as "fact." Reread buddy. Sounds like you only read what "you want to hear."

I gave this nice guy some "advice" which is we we do on here. I am not sure why you are on here, obviously to inflate your ego.
BTW that advise seemed to have worked out and obviously thats what you are mad about. Again, I do not understand what you are trying to prevent with the dip in this case? Sure dips can be standard procedure especially when a pet store for example is putting new fish directly into display tanks. Pet stores don't QT so I can understand the dip in that case. In any case where there is no QT I can appreciate the dip.

You are taking my statement about your fish literally when you know it was a joke. You are just mad b/c it was funny.

Again for the third time I say "I think fw dips ARE warranted at times but not in THIS CASE." For example in cases of gill flukes or velvet, but this guys fish did not have those things.

Maybe if I type if larger you will see it.

I hope this all made you feel better about yourself, obviously something is bothering you.

Also it is so easy to look in somebodys signature and take cheap shots, people do it all the time. Pick on something else bud.

You can talk to yourself all you want after this. I don't want this nice persons thread to get closed, so I am out. He just wanted some advice, not a show from you. LET IT GO.... YOU MADE YOUR POINT. Each individaul can run their tank however they want. I happen to think that a fish that has been QT'd for 4 weeks and does not show any signs of sickness doesn't need a FW dip also. Thats my opinion and I am entitled to it, understand that.

 

[Haksar]

When you dip a fish in FW do you allow it to swim in the tank or hold it with a net for few minutes.Is it ok to dip a newly bought fish in FW iso quarantining and straightway put it in the display tank.

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13438153#post13438153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by r0bin
Your tang may have taken it well, but mine did not. Mine yellow laid listless on the bottom of the bucket and would only move when disturbed by the ariline tubing that an airstone was connected to. When added back o the main tank its color was so pale it was white, and would hider until the next day. The next day it would appear to be fine and this procedure did cure the black ich. I don't know what your idea of stressful is, but this is mine.

Qt can be stressful on a newly aquired fish due to water quality and the fish not being in a more natural enviroment including live rock and such.

If FW dips are not stressful then why don't you just put all of your fish in freshwater from now on and the can all become freshwater fish instead.

:lol:

It is not false information to say fw dips are stressful and QT also, its fact. Just exactly what were you having this guy cure with the FW dip anyway? The fish had been in QT for 4 weeks and had no signs of anything. Are you trying to cure it of ick or what? FW dips are only good for external parasites which he would have seen by now.

It is perfectly normal for fish in FW dips to go limp, to go rigid, to stop moving. It is when they scramble to desparately get out of the dip that it's time to remove the fish.

As I mentioned, FW dips before and after quarantine are standard operating procedure in every major aquarium and in the large fish operations. I agree with TSwifty that you're wrong about FW dips. They can be stressful on particular fish in particular circumstances on particular days--which is why you have to watch your fish closely during the dip and remove if necessary.

FW dips are very beneficial and I do them every single time I add a fish to QT and every single time I move a fish from QT to the display, and I have yet to lose a fish because of this.

Your tang could have been diseased at the time and you didn't know it--parasites, roughly handled, captured with cyanide, etc.

Read up on FW dips at wetwebmedia.com and elsewhere and you'll see that they are highly recommended.

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13440367#post13440367 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by r0bin
Again, I do not understand what you are trying to prevent with the dip in this case? Sure dips can be standard procedure especially when a pet store for example is putting new fish directly into display tanks. Pet stores don't QT so I can understand the dip in that case. In any case where there is no QT I can appreciate the dip.

No, but aquariums do.

Read here for answers to your question: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dips_baths.htm

 

[r0bin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13441136#post13441136 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Haksar
When you dip a fish in FW do you allow it to swim in the tank or hold it with a net for few minutes.Is it ok to dip a newly bought fish in FW iso quarantining and straightway put it in the display tank.

Normally a bucket is used with an air stone and PH adjusted water. The fish is alllowed to swim normally in the bucket. Normally it is not best to use a net with saltwater fish for any reason. No it is not ok to fw instead of QT. FW dips do not cure white ick. A FW dip can be used to relieve a highly infected fish with lots of white spots, but will not kill the ick in certain stages. FW dips are good for other externally parasite. It can make them drop off. FW dips are a great and the only (I think) cure for black ich which is diff. than white ick.

 

[r0bin]

FW dips are great in certain cases. I just don't think fish that have been QT'd and show no signs of disease need to be FW dipped before being added to the tank. As far as I know this is not standard practice in addition to QT.

 

[Tswifty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13441136#post13441136 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Haksar
When you dip a fish in FW do you allow it to swim in the tank or hold it with a net for few minutes.Is it ok to dip a newly bought fish in FW iso quarantining and straightway put it in the display tank.

Prepare a bucket or tank with the FW... be sure to match temp, pH, and I also use an airstone in the dip. The fish should be allowed to swim freely in the dip. I usually perfom the for anywhere from 4 minutes to 6 minutes. As abulgin stated, you want to observe the fish the entire time, as some fish are more tolerant to longer dip times than others.

I usually remove the fish with my hands and place it in a small cup of tank water for transport to the final destination. I also have used a net on occasion, but normally do not. A FW dip is certainly better than no dip in ALL cases. However, it should not be used in place of quarrantine.

I will again caution readers viewing this thread about the information being provided. rObin is using one failed experience as grounds for spreading false information, and is clearly wrong.

A FW dip is ALWAYS a good idea. I... like abulgin perform it on ALL my fish both before QT, and again before adding them to the display.

Good luck

 

[chatyak]

don't mean to break up the fight but since i started this thread i have another questions

What is the *normal* amount of times a fish stops by a shrimp for cleaning? Seems like the kole is stopping by the blood shrimp every 10 minutes or so for a quick tune up, then zooms around the tank again.

 

[chatyak]

How often should the fish be getting cleaned by the shrimp? Mine is going to it every few minutes. For some reason I'm looking real hard to tell for ich each day but any white dot I do see seems to have vanished later on... grain of sand perhaps?

I don't know if it is the uneven white lines on the kole that are throwing me off but it's realllly hard to tell as it swims.... sigh lol

 

[r0bin]

I will again caution readers viewing this thread about the information being provided. rObin is using one failed experience as grounds for spreading false information, and is clearly wrong.

:lol:

You are halarious!!! lol

 

[r0bin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13446439#post13446439 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chatyak
How often should the fish be getting cleaned by the shrimp? Mine is going to it every few minutes. For some reason I'm looking real hard to tell for ich each day but any white dot I do see seems to have vanished later on... grain of sand perhaps?

I don't know if it is the uneven white lines on the kole that are throwing me off but it's realllly hard to tell as it swims.... sigh lol

Watch out everybody I am about to spread some more mis-information, lol


Often times a fish can get tiny air bubble attached to them when swimming, that can kinda, sorta look like an ick spot. Of course they drop off during the course of swimming. You might be seeing some of that. One of the main things I look for as a symptom of ick is flashing and/or scatching on rocks and or taking dives to scratch on the substrate.