Large holding tank (pool) input needed?

The baby "kiddie" pools are 10.00 to 20.00. Depends on where you buy them and how thick plastic you want. I use them for "having puppies" whelping my dogs. I have some that are very hard plastic that even have a seat on two sides. Would be nice to use as a ledge. You can find those at dollar general I believe for 10.00. They would definitely hold some heavy nice rock. As far as the real big ones I bought those at toysrus for I think 20.00. They are much deeper but the plastic isn't as thick. Not as nice for big rock. You could always use the rubber plastic runners for the bottom. You know...the over the carpet protectors. Could also use the square plastic or whatever things that go under your computer chair for the bottom. KR
 
On Florida’s east coast, a ton of fish are provided by amateur collectors and traders, it is not as easy as it looks, you need ticklers and clear nets,

The fish need shade to avoid photo shock from bright sunlight, the transport containers need shade to prevent high temperatures

And the pool needs shade from direct southern and western sunlight

The saltwater may corrode the pool pump

Does the pump turn enough water to create proper flow?

If you are going to collect, either for yourself or others, in large quantities, why not contact the store in Apollo Beach (Living Seas? Oceans Below?), which has large excess tank capacity and work out a wholesale arrangement even if she does not buy a lot of the inventory?

Do you have a bio-filter started for the 20 to 80 new fish?

Will have a ton of algae, does the pump have a pre-filter?

Do you have a 900-gallon container ready with pre-mixed saltwater for emergency water changes?

try feed stores for plastic horse troughs....
 
Like I've said before nobody is right and nobody wrong do what you want to do . I've looked around cement block pond liner and a 1 horse motor and one big skimmer is the way to go.If my wife would let me do this I would.Just do it,and have fun.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12643626#post12643626 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Acolin
On Florida’s east coast, a ton of fish are provided by amateur collectors and traders, it is not as easy as it looks, you need ticklers and clear nets,

The fish need shade to avoid photo shock from bright sunlight, the transport containers need shade to prevent high temperatures

And the pool needs shade from direct southern and western sunlight

The saltwater may corrode the pool pump

Does the pump turn enough water to create proper flow?

If you are going to collect, either for yourself or others, in large quantities, why not contact the store in Apollo Beach (Living Seas? Oceans Below?), which has large excess tank capacity and work out a wholesale arrangement even if she does not buy a lot of the inventory?

Do you have a bio-filter started for the 20 to 80 new fish?

Will have a ton of algae, does the pump have a pre-filter?

Do you have a 900-gallon container ready with pre-mixed saltwater for emergency water changes?

try feed stores for plastic horse troughs....
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What store in Apollo Beach? Life Oceanic?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12644190#post12644190 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BlitzK
tagging along to watch this...

I guess my only advice is keep a lawyers number on hand.
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:)
 
when transporting all this water and livestock, is it all gonna be in the back of an enclosed a/c'd box truck or something? hate to see critters boiling in water while being transported. 1800g is a LOT of water, and are u going to establish this stuff BEFORE you go out and get anything? i'm thinking a skimmer for something that size would be a dealbreaker if yer tryin to do it on the cheap.

sounds like an awful lot of expense/headache/problems waiting to happen just to "QT" some fish that one may or may not even be able to get in the end.

BUt i'm interested in seeing on how all this pans out.
 
It sounds like a good idea, but I beleave as well that starting off small and working up to a larger scale would be the way to go. You dont want to get 80 fish home just to find out that your pool idea isnt going to work well. Plus by starting on a smaller scale you will learn things along the way that would save you alot of headaches in the long run. I can see maybe not selling the fish you collect, but maybe trading them would be a better option.
 
lets just hope for the the sakes of whatever he is able to catch he does his homework and does it right as not to further diminish what stocks are left needlessly. imop leave it to the people who have invested thousands of dollars to make sure that what they catch usually survive the process. its not that easy. just my 2cents
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12641164#post12641164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WarDaddy
It sounds to me like you are looking to start a collecting busniess. This is not the best venue to be discussing a reef related start up busniess.
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Maybe in the future, a collecting business might be in the cards, but for now, we will stick to the desire to capture our own fish. If I was to start a collection business, the first people I would want to talk to is the reefers. They are who's opinions would matter to me most in seeking a way to properly care for what we catch. I feel the need to restate that this is only for our consumption. Please try to understand we are only trying to do the right thing for the fish that we catch for ourselves.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12641164#post12641164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WarDaddy
If you are collecting for your tank, which you state, you do not need a large holding vat.
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My understanding is that any introduction of a large number of fish to a tank, all at once, would be devastaing increase to the bio-load of that tank and may cause it to crash. As someone once said " the solution to pollution is dillution" On that note, why not setup a huge cost effective holding tank to keep the fish heathy until they can be introduced to the tanks in a manner which will keep the parameters stable?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12641164#post12641164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WarDaddy
If you are going to collect, to sell, I do believe you really need to sit down and formulate a solid busniess plan, and do serious market research before you start. I suggest you find guys that are doing it now, buy them a few beers and discuss the profession. There are so may regulations in Florida waters, you really need to be very aware of all that.
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If we were collecting to sell then you would be correct. However, I have no need for a business plan or market research, because I'm not selling... We are acutely aware of the laws that govern the personal collection of the fish we wish to take and have been trying to conform to each and every requirement they put on us.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12641164#post12641164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WarDaddy
What is your goal, to make money? If you say no, then you are misleading yourself or us. If you say yes, your goal is to make money, I think your plans need a ton more work, and the best venue would be Scuba Clubs not Reef Clubs. We are your customers, but we know little about the catching, transport, holding on any sort of commercial scale.
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It would be great if I could make money on this, but it is never going to happen. Due to the laws that govern our collecting, we may not resell any of our catch. If we decide to do this commercially, we would need to upgrade our licenses, have a business plan, do market research, etc... Heck, we don't even have a boat, that might be a significant required peice of equipment to do this commercially. My plan does require more work, I agree wholeheartedly. I consider asking people whom I respect in this hobby part of that work. Scuba clubs would be a ggod resource for techniques to capture the fish, but care of the fish after the catch is what I'm after, I trust reefers opinions more.

I hope I have answered your questions to everyones satisfaction. Is it now possible that we could now focus on the question of how to properly setup and care for the fish once captured, prior to their introduction to their new homes?

Thanks,
Joe
 
Joe, the solution is not 10x your display tank volume to hold your catch.

QT, which s what you want to do, is best in a smaller tank, with daily water changes, medication in an even smaller tank.

Coming in saying you are setting up 1800 gallons is saying I am setting up a busniess.

If you are collecting to support your tanks, you should never come home with more than a couple fish per trip, in which, you only need a 20 gallon tank.

What you are saying and what you are doing are not adding up here.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12642755#post12642755 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by papajojo
well any how i commend u for wanting to collect your own fish.
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Thanks, we think it will be a fun endeavor that will give us a great story to tell people who look at our tanks.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12642755#post12642755 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by papajojo
however, not on that scale, i would say this: if you are not intending on collecting an erroneous amount of fish such a large capacity qt tank would not be necessary. i think that most of the posts have thought about why the hell u would need 1800 gallons... or for that matter 80 fish...a four day escapade to yield that many fish only means one thing or another 1.) you are trying to make a profit or 2.) u really could care less about what you are taking. that being said i think everyones getting at this point. take a few fish but leave the serious collecting to the pros.
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You mention scale, allow me to explain. Yes, the law would allow us to catch 80 fish in our two day trip. We have no need for 80 fish. My prediction for the trip is a 50% chance at not catching anything but a few gobies or blennies, a 30% chance of maybe catching less than 10 fish that we actually want to keep, and a 20% chance of catching 25-30 fish that we actually want to keep. (don't take this as we are going to capture fish we don't want, that is not going to happen.) Just because we can catch 80 doesn't mean we wish to.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12642755#post12642755 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by papajojo
even if u had 0 fish in your 10 tanks none of which were very sizeable by my recollection that bio-load is tremendous. Me myself and i would suggest only taking what you could house, only taking what you thought wouldnt out grow your systems (almost everything u mentioned) and figureing out that a 55-100g plastic horse trough/ rubbermaid storage container would suffice for these purposes. just my opinion i hope im mistaken and i look forward to your response.
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If I were to drop 30 fish into all my tanks at the same time, I would have a disaster on my hands. The increase in bio-load to the tanks would surely devastate them. We are just trying to come up with a means to hold them in a large enough volume of water to prevent any illness or damage until they can be introduced into their home tank without causing a fatal spike in water parameters. This is the reason for asking everyones opinion on setting up a $100 above ground pool with enough capacity to dillute the harmful waste products of newly captured fish.

Thanks,
Joe
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12644190#post12644190 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BlitzK
tagging along to watch this...

I guess my only advice is keep a lawyers number on hand.
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I don't think the fish I catch will want to sue me... LOL :D
 
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Joe I think what is confusing me is this...

It appears you have a desire to catch all your fish in a single 2 day trip. I think what you should be looking at is catching a couple fish a trip, and spread that capture out over 20 trips.

Go all over Florida and capture from different areas. There is much diversity between Jacksonville, Miami, Key West, Marco Island, Tampa, Pensacola.

when you say, I want to have a 1800 gallon set up, I want to catch 80 fish in 2 days, but I only have 200 gallons of display, I hear, I am going to sell to you!

Do you understand what I am saying? Collect slowly, target exactly what you want to add to your tanks, and go get them from all over the state. That will really fuel the stories you have to tell when people look at your tank.

Oh I got that goby off key west, great dive site, then we spent 2 days on Duval street, I think, I can barely remember...
 
I commend you as well turboguru for pursuing this endeavor. I have wanted a tank large enough that I can swim and interact with my fish. I know thats not what you are trying to do, but it is close. I may be interested in collecting with you.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12644262#post12644262 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thrashie
when transporting all this water and livestock, is it all gonna be in the back of an enclosed a/c'd box truck or something? hate to see critters boiling in water while being transported. 1800g is a LOT of water, and are u going to establish this stuff BEFORE you go out and get anything? i'm thinking a skimmer for something that size would be a dealbreaker if yer tryin to do it on the cheap.

sounds like an awful lot of expense/headache/problems waiting to happen just to "QT" some fish that one may or may not even be able to get in the end.

BUt i'm interested in seeing on how all this pans out.
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We are trying to get ideas and have everything established BEFORE we go out and get anything. The reason for trying to find a cost effective solution to QT is because it will only be needed for this trip and then broken down. If we wanted to spend thousands of dollars on this, we would just go buy the fish. I don't think a giant skimmer will be nessicary for the short time that it will take to do a staged transfer of the captured fish to their tanks.

It is becoming an awful lot of headache because the question was "how should i do this?" not having to defend the why I am doing this. Even though there is some strong feelings on the subject of "why" I expected as much. I just hope that this is a friendly debate and not something that will alienate me from the community just for asking.

Thanks,
Joe
 
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