Larger tanks easier to maintain?

KingTang

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Hey guys,

I've heard larger tanks like 300 gallons are easier to maintain. Why do people say this?

I've heard people don't even do water changes.

My question is. Can someone get away without doing water changes? If so where does the calcium come from?

Also why do people say it's easier the bigger the tank? Any insight? thanks guys and gals
 
People say bigger tanks are easier to care for because fluctuations within the take are far less drastic. Take a simple example such as a 5g tank and a 300g tank. If hypothetically you added 3 fish to the 5g tank, what do you think is going to happen to the water parameters? They're going to drastically change. Now add those same 3 fish to the 300g tank. You probably wont notice anything. The water pollutes the parameters at a far greater amount.


I know a couple people who have large tanks that dont do water changes, however these tanks are years old and typically have a light fish load on them. It would never be my recommendation not to do water changes as water changes serve many purposes within the aquarium. However, you can still dose certain elements once they've been depleted within the water chemistry. This is typically what people do when they dont do many water changes.


As for me. I have a 150g LPS-SPS tank
I run pretty light bioload on it. For this I reason I do a water change usually 1 time every other month. If I'm running low on any levels I usually just dose a little.


Hope this helps answer some of your questions.
 
No Water Changes? Wow I want one of those tanks..... Had 300 gallon tanks before and I still did water changes. It depends on what you keep in your tank also.
 
Hey guys,

I've heard larger tanks like 300 gallons are easier to maintain. Why do people say this?

I've heard people don't even do water changes.

My question is. Can someone get away without doing water changes? If so where does the calcium come from?

Also why do people say it's easier the bigger the tank? Any insight? thanks guys and gals

A 50 gallon tank can be mucked up just as fast as a 25 IMO... Do the math... (300/150)

It's all up 2 U.
 
Yes they are easier to keep but consider some of the other things people don't post. For example, if you have to do a 20 percent water change monthly on a 300 gallon you are looking at 60 gallons of water on a 300g versus about 6 gallons on a 29g. I am not sure about you, but I store my water before making it. And "hiding" 60 gallons among the misses is probably not an easy task, especially since she's always hawking for my crap laying around. Also...pushing water through the tank is not as easy. As one person pointed out, the larger the tank the fatter your wallet needs to be.

IMO, a 90g is perfect. It is to too big, not too small and is not that much more difficult to maintain than the 29g I upgraded from. I looked at a 125g and a 75g when upgrading too.

Finding middle ground in a hobby where patience is more important than anything is key.

Good luck...
 
well from my point of view big tanks are easier because of the types of fish i keep and the couple of small tanks for small fish that wont survive in my big tanks, the small tanks are plumed into the big tanks sump.

but when you have an major issue with a big tank ie busted support brace it takes more time to transfer water/livestock than a smaller tank would

i would honestly say the big tank vs small tank is 50/50 depending on stocking levels and types of inhabitants, personal preference,space for tank, finances,spouse support, ect...
 
How do you keep the glass clean on a tank that size? I have a 38G and I clean the glass every day. I like it and my water to be crystal clear.
 
but when you have an major issue with a big tank ie busted support brace it takes more time to transfer water/livestock than a smaller tank would


Whoa Whoa, now this scares me, I'm planning on getting a 8 or 9 foot long tank and do not want to see this happen at all. How common is a busted support brace?
 
Acrylic tanks tend to bow a bit with warm water and weight. You can have support cracks happen, more likely so if you have a swag or lean in your setup that puts the weight offbalance. I have an acrylic sump that began to get scary. I got some aluminum channeling (aluminum is not so reactive to salt water, and is pretty safe) painted it, and put it over the raw edge of the tank that was bowing. Instant correction, and the tank, with both long sides capped with channeling, is just fine.
OTOH, I had a decorative 8 foot TALL tank pop a back seam, and a 100 g start to bow.
Thick glass is going to set you back the national debt, and it weighs like sin. My advice is go with acrylic, but take a critical look at the design of the tank and imagine it full of water. Is it adequately braced? Is your setup absolutely level? Is it STAYING level once there's water in it. You're dealing with a big weight of highly mobile water, and instability is not your friend. The best design is a tank that has as few corners as possible (bent acrylic with no seam) and a rim around the top that is about 2" of flat acrylic---and good thick acrylic.
The stuff scratches. Set up your rockwork on plastic lighting grid, then add sand: this assures your rocks won't roll and scratch those sides. YOu can't use regular scrapers on the acrylic, and coralline algae is a pita. Ask around for good ways of getting rid of it. A fingernail is about the best I've found.
 
Let me answer your other question on water changes, and I am going to say something a little controversial---or at least not in line with advised official practice: first, if you are having ghosty problems with a tank, definitely, a good series of water changes is the best I-can't-figure-what's-wrong cure.

BUT---we ran larger tanks in the 80's without many water changes, and it can be done if you are willing to accept some limits: first, have plenty of live rock and sand. Secondly, have a lot of plain hard discosoma (red, greenstripe, brown, purple) mushrooms and things like green star polyp, yellow star, etc, and brown buttons, leathers and things like kenya tree, things that can become outright pests in more modern tanks, because of their growth rate. These things are tough. Even fish that tend to bother corals leave these alone, so they will proliferate. They take less light than stony coral. And they're living filters that can filter the waste of messy fish. Keep your fish balance with 1) creatures that live in the sand and clean it: jawfish, watchman gobies, nassarius snails and conchs. This keeps your sand in very good order without the need to worry about it. Keep a lot of bristleworms and a variety of micro-hermits and small snails...the strombus grazers are brilliant at getting into tiny crevices in the rock. 2) quarantine every fish obsessively. Don't let the very first or very last fish get into that tank bringing ich to infest that sandbed. 3) have a big refugium with sand and rock as well as cheatomorpha algae. This will keep the microlife of your tank in good health. 4) don't run a phosphate reactor more than it takes just to be rid of hair algae, and unless you see hair or green film algae redevelop, don't run it. 5) test at least every week, and keep a log book so you can dose INTO trends, not after your water has gone wonky 6) you can eventually try some lowlevel stony corals like hammer and bubble, but if you do, you must supplement calcium. 7) watch your corals for any sign of unhappiness: if those mushrooms and buttons are extended and happy, your tank is happy. Test immediately if you see them otherwise. 8) run a water change a couple of times a year. You'll get cyano periodically: do NOT use a chemical treatment for it, just do the lights-out treatment.

It will work. It's not capable of handling fussier corals, or really delicate fish. But if you stick to the hardier fish and keep that logbook meticulously, you can manage it. You can also, at some point, either ramp up the water change situation to handle fussier creatures, or, at a low ebb in your time-available lifestyle, take it close to zero-care.

Everyone note this: a tank over 100 gallons has leeway that a little tank doesn't. The water changes are more important for a little tank than a big one, as long as you stick to hardy species---again, it's that big water volume and all that rock and sand; and a big one that decides to let critters handle the cleaning and that is happy with less than the bleeding edge of fancy reefs and exotic fishes, --- yes, it can be done. Building a bulletproof tank with minimal changes takes realizing that what's new and shiny at the lfs could be a real bad idea in your tank; and it takes doing some careful research about what you put in there...(I made a real bad one: a ghost eel, let loose in my bulletproof reef without proper research: it ate 300.oo worth of fish I really liked and I had to unbuild my reef and disturb all my corals to get him out. This is what can happen if you're stu-pit, like I was!)

So understand---you'll be giving up access to some types of fish and corals, but you'll have a real pretty tank. I kept mostly damsels, because I like them and they're colorful and move beautifully in a big tank, but most commonly kept fishes are ok there, even some with reps as coral eaters. The soft corals are not real appetizing.
 
Let me answer your other question on water changes, and I am going to say something a little controversial---or at least not in line with advised official practice: first, if you are having ghosty problems with a tank, definitely, a good series of water changes is the best I-can't-figure-what's-wrong cure.

BUT---we ran larger tanks in the 80's without many water changes, and it can be done if you are willing to accept some limits: first, have plenty of live rock and sand. Secondly, have a lot of plain hard discosoma (red, greenstripe, brown, purple) mushrooms and things like green star polyp, yellow star, etc, and brown buttons, leathers and things like kenya tree, things that can become outright pests in more modern tanks, because of their growth rate. These things are tough. Even fish that tend to bother corals leave these alone, so they will proliferate. They take less light than stony coral. And they're living filters that can filter the waste of messy fish. Keep your fish balance with 1) creatures that live in the sand and clean it: jawfish, watchman gobies, nassarius snails and conchs. This keeps your sand in very good order without the need to worry about it. Keep a lot of bristleworms and a variety of micro-hermits and small snails...the strombus grazers are brilliant at getting into tiny crevices in the rock. 2) quarantine every fish obsessively. Don't let the very first or very last fish get into that tank bringing ich to infest that sandbed. 3) have a big refugium with sand and rock as well as cheatomorpha algae. This will keep the microlife of your tank in good health. 4) don't run a phosphate reactor more than it takes just to be rid of hair algae, and unless you see hair or green film algae redevelop, don't run it. 5) test at least every week, and keep a log book so you can dose INTO trends, not after your water has gone wonky 6) you can eventually try some lowlevel stony corals like hammer and bubble, but if you do, you must supplement calcium. 7) watch your corals for any sign of unhappiness: if those mushrooms and buttons are extended and happy, your tank is happy. Test immediately if you see them otherwise. 8) run a water change a couple of times a year. You'll get cyano periodically: do NOT use a chemical treatment for it, just do the lights-out treatment.

It will work. It's not capable of handling fussier corals, or really delicate fish. But if you stick to the hardier fish and keep that logbook meticulously, you can manage it. You can also, at some point, either ramp up the water change situation to handle fussier creatures, or, at a low ebb in your time-available lifestyle, take it close to zero-care.

Everyone note this: a tank over 100 gallons has leeway that a little tank doesn't. The water changes are more important for a little tank than a big one, as long as you stick to hardy species---again, it's that big water volume and all that rock and sand; and a big one that decides to let critters handle the cleaning and that is happy with less than the bleeding edge of fancy reefs and exotic fishes, --- yes, it can be done. Building a bulletproof tank with minimal changes takes realizing that what's new and shiny at the lfs could be a real bad idea in your tank; and it takes doing some careful research about what you put in there...(I made a real bad one: a ghost eel, let loose in my bulletproof reef without proper research: it ate 300.oo worth of fish I really liked and I had to unbuild my reef and disturb all my corals to get him out. This is what can happen if you're stu-pit, like I was!)

So understand---you'll be giving up access to some types of fish and corals, but you'll have a real pretty tank. I kept mostly damsels, because I like them and they're colorful and move beautifully in a big tank, but most commonly kept fishes are ok there, even some with reps as coral eaters. The soft corals are not real appetizing.

Geez, someone knows their stuff :) Great advice sk8r... just one question - why cut back on the GFO? I would not want to introduce algae - right? Even a tank with some nutrients can thrive on NO3 alone - correct?
 
ALgae supports microlife like copepods and things that feed on them. I want biodiversity. And as long as you've got cheato growing healthily in your fuge, you're ok re copepods, but you can starve your blennies and gobies and mandys to death by running a gfo constantly,because it starves the algae-dependent life. Just get rid of the nuisance algae, then withdraw it. Phosphate comes from rock and sand, green fish food, and tap water, and when it's slowly leached out and you're using ro/di, it stops being a problem. Plus the corals I named LOVE nutrients. The guys who are constantly after sparkling-clear water and trying to pare down nutrients to stark nothing are the sps coral guys---these are the colored branching sticks. The fluffy-stony like frogspawn, hammer, and the australian corals like acans are ok with much 'richer' water, no filter sock, no filter, just let the detritus flow to the corals, who have wide mouths to slurp it right up and grow like mad.

My old 100 g old-fashioned monster didn't even have a skimmer, just a really big sump with lots of life, and it was beautiful and thrived with soft coral. Running a skimmer really is better. But for this kind of tank it doesn't have to be a great skimmer. Rated for about 2x your water volume is a good yardstick.
 
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ALgae supports microlife like copepods and things that feed on them. I want biodiversity. And as long as you've got cheato growing healthily in your fuge, you're ok re copepods, but you can starve your blennies and gobies and mandys to death by running a gfo constantly,because it starves the algae-dependent life. Just get rid of the nuisance algae, then withdraw it. Phosphate comes from rock and sand, green fish food, and tap water, and when it's slowly leached out and you're using ro/di, it stops being a problem.

OK - that was my guess. No blennies, gobies or mandys for me for that reason. Thanks again and super stuff - really :thumbsup:
 
Whoa Whoa, now this scares me, I'm planning on getting a 8 or 9 foot long tank and do not want to see this happen at all. How common is a busted support brace?

cheap tanks of any size...common

quality tanks.. not near as common

mine has been moved several times and i honestly believe mine may have gotten a internal stress crack during the last move (long story but i fell on the tank) so i am not surprised mine failed
 
Hey guys,

I've heard larger tanks like 300 gallons are easier to maintain. Why do people say this?

I've heard people don't even do water changes.

My question is. Can someone get away without doing water changes? If so where does the calcium come from?

Also why do people say it's easier the bigger the tank? Any insight? thanks guys and gals

As people were posting here its easier to maintain water parameters. More precisely its easier to keep them stable. If we compare routine maintenance the rule is bigger the tank - more time it takes to maintain it. You still have to provide the same maintenance tasks on big tanks just in bigger size and volume. You have to set up QT tank(s) since risk not having one is too high. That along could take effort equal to maintaining one small tank :). Energy cost to run big tank is also significantly bigger since you have to light it and heat more. Depends on your livestock demands, set up and season your electricity bill can hit hundreds of dollars per month plus water and supplements. Big tanks are great! There is no way you can keep some fish, corals in smaller tanks but you should be prepare.
 
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