Learning/rebuilding from my epic fail

Ooooh. A cheater cam -_-

lol. Yeah, if only I had one of those floating around I wouldn't be struggling to make the hardcore whites in my pictures go away.

I have this *very* light baby blue Acro I keep trying to photograph... Shines like the sun no matter what I do to it in pre or post lol
Yep!
I find blue is almost impossible for me to capture properly. It often doesn't show up at all or ends up white..
Nice group of photos. The Bonsai is very beautiful. I think of it like a Red Planet; It may be common, but when it is healthy and happy it will be the first coral to catch your eye.

Nice color combos in the pics. Maybe I need to consider a nitrate bump myself!

Do you have a phosphate update? I am curious to see what it is doing while seeing the rich color you are getting.

Very true about the bonsai and red planet. Common but beautiful, both.
My po4 sits between .14-.16 even with weekly changeouts of phos minus.
On Sunday I'll add new phos minus and for 3 days, I won't have to clean my front glass but then by Thursday, I'm back to every day to have it perfect.
My po4 has been between .08 and .18 for the better part of a year...

Do you know any good resources for me to learn how to use my one hundred millimeter macro lens? I've been taking tons of shots to no avail. I can't seem to get everything dialed in perfectly.
sorry, not really but this sounds odd to me. What camera and lens do you have? Can you go outside or in your living room and take a perfect macro shot of a snowflake or a pencil eraser? Just curious if it never works for you or if it's just in the tank and how does it not work? Focus, colour, just wondering..
That last batch of photos was awesome, such good color and fat puffy skin, Even the brownish one looks good.

Thanks, Mark. :)
Lately, the pe overnight is getting outrageous. Since upping the alk a bit, the corals are growing more and more.. although, this doesn't necessarily have anything to go with increasing the ca reactor output.. it's probably just More recovery time.
I have noticed, since adding the continuum and af bacterias, along with the np pro, an added clarity to the water. I like it!
 
sorry, not really but this sounds odd to me. What camera and lens do you have? Can you go outside or in your living room and take a perfect macro shot of a snowflake or a pencil eraser? Just curious if it never works for you or if it's just in the tank and how does it not work? Focus, colour, just wondering..


I have a Canon T3i with a Canon 100mm macro lens. I have never tried it on anything other than the tank. (the lens) I typically shoot in program mode. I can get clear shots just not super up close. Maybe I'll take it to work and fiddle with it.
 
Yep!
I find blue is almost impossible for me to capture properly. It often doesn't show up at all or ends up white..

Yep, this one ends up solid white in every pic lol.. Sadly, the most stunning coral in my tank is this crazy blue tenuis that colors up as absurdly as an Oregon Tort -- Can't even come close to getting it's color.

The past few weeks I've had a lot of people come by for frags, and the moment they can my tank they hone in on that guy and ask what it is and if it'll be for sale.. Sadly it grows slow as hell.
 
Yep, this one ends up solid white in every pic lol.. Sadly, the most stunning coral in my tank is this crazy blue tenuis that colors up as absurdly as an Oregon Tort -- Can't even come close to getting it's color.

The past few weeks I've had a lot of people come by for frags, and the moment they can my tank they hone in on that guy and ask what it is and if it'll be for sale.. Sadly it grows slow as hell.
Well, you know I want some of that blue tennuis!! Blue, when mixed with other colours, I have trouble capturing. Dropping the exposure definitely helps..

I have a Canon T3i with a Canon 100mm macro lens. I have never tried it on anything other than the tank. (the lens) I typically shoot in program mode. I can get clear shots just not super up close. Maybe I'll take it to work and fiddle with it.

Ok. That set up should be able to provide results as good as anything you see on RC.
First, I'd take the camera out of program mode and put it in full manual, or aperture priority. Then bump the ISO up to around 640. And set the color to cloudy or 8000-10000 k if your camera has those options.
In manual, you are able to open or close the aperture depending on the field of focus you want. Small aperture (big number) will give a wider depth of field. Small number (big aperture) a closer depth of field.
You should start with a reasonably high iso (unless you have crazy amounts of light over your tank) because as you go up in aperture number (smaller aperture) your camera will have to slow down the shutter speed to compensate for the reduced light getting into the camera. I usually shoot between 640 and 1000 iso.
Macro lenses are designed to not give a very large depth of field so I am often shooting at small aperture like 11 and up.
The one issue with small apertures, is that a certain amount of crispness or sharpness is lost. I think the best bang for the buck for depth and sharpness is around 8-11.
This shot was taken at an aperture of around 11, if I recall..

You can see the front of the green coral and just below it, the red coral are in focus.. I don't remember the shutter speed but it was probably around 1/100th
His shot, which has an aperture value of probably 25 or so and a shutter speed of around 1/10. The image isn't as sharp but there is more in focus.

These two shots were taken through the front glass. When I shoot through the front glass, I put the lens right up against the glass of the tank. This allows for the use of very slow shutter speeds and the best clarity of image. As soon as you try to shoot through the front glass on any type of angle, the glass in the camera lens and the glass of the tank don't play nice and the images get blurred a bit.
Remember, when shooting at slow shutter speeds, any movement will end up looking blurry, so turn off all your pumps when shooting the tank. This allows the polyps to stop moving and also, I find that for some reason, when there's no flow, the polyps extend a bit more..
Try to fill the frame absolutely completely with the subject, if you can. Obviously this depends on how close it is to the lens. Macro lenses allow you to get pretty close. You can even have the edges of the subject fall slightly out of the viewfinder image because the viewfinder doesn't give you the entire image that will be produced when you actually take the picture.
Make sure your camera is set to capture the largest/best possible image quality as well. I don't think you are able to capture raw images but make sure it is capturing the largest jpeg images it can.
This is important because often, when you see a super duper macro shot like this:
It has been cropped down from a shot like this:

You can see how the first shot isn't as crisp as the second. That's because of the cropping, or post magnifying of the original image. And actually even my second image was cropped already.
So, the most mega pixels/most information/highest quality image you have to start with, the more you can magnify or crop the image.

Ok, then.. that's a lot of info to digest in one shot...
Play around with your camera on something other than the tank to start. Get a hang of playing with the settings and how to toggle between apertures and shutter speeds. And feel free to ask me anything you want or even post some test shots for 'critical review' :)
 
Well, you know I want some of that blue tennuis!! Blue, when mixed with other colours, I have trouble capturing. Dropping the exposure definitely helps..



Ok. That set up should be able to provide results as good as anything you see on RC.
First, I'd take the camera out of program mode and put it in full manual, or aperture priority. Then bump the ISO up to around 640. And set the color to cloudy or 8000-10000 k if your camera has those options.
In manual, you are able to open or close the aperture depending on the field of focus you want. Small aperture (big number) will give a wider depth of field. Small number (big aperture) a closer depth of field.
You should start with a reasonably high iso (unless you have crazy amounts of light over your tank) because as you go up in aperture number (smaller aperture) your camera will have to slow down the shutter speed to compensate for the reduced light getting into the camera. I usually shoot between 640 and 1000 iso.
Macro lenses are designed to not give a very large depth of field so I am often shooting at small aperture like 11 and up.
The one issue with small apertures, is that a certain amount of crispness or sharpness is lost. I think the best bang for the buck for depth and sharpness is around 8-11.
This shot was taken at an aperture of around 11, if I recall..

You can see the front of the green coral and just below it, the red coral are in focus.. I don't remember the shutter speed but it was probably around 1/100th
His shot, which has an aperture value of probably 25 or so and a shutter speed of around 1/10. The image isn't as sharp but there is more in focus.

These two shots were taken through the front glass. When I shoot through the front glass, I put the lens right up against the glass of the tank. This allows for the use of very slow shutter speeds and the best clarity of image. As soon as you try to shoot through the front glass on any type of angle, the glass in the camera lens and the glass of the tank don't play nice and the images get blurred a bit.
Remember, when shooting at slow shutter speeds, any movement will end up looking blurry, so turn off all your pumps when shooting the tank. This allows the polyps to stop moving and also, I find that for some reason, when there's no flow, the polyps extend a bit more..
Try to fill the frame absolutely completely with the subject, if you can. Obviously this depends on how close it is to the lens. Macro lenses allow you to get pretty close. You can even have the edges of the subject fall slightly out of the viewfinder image because the viewfinder doesn't give you the entire image that will be produced when you actually take the picture.
Make sure your camera is set to capture the largest/best possible image quality as well. I don't think you are able to capture raw images but make sure it is capturing the largest jpeg images it can.
This is important because often, when you see a super duper macro shot like this:
It has been cropped down from a shot like this:

You can see how the first shot isn't as crisp as the second. That's because of the cropping, or post magnifying of the original image. And actually even my second image was cropped already.
So, the most mega pixels/most information/highest quality image you have to start with, the more you can magnify or crop the image.

Ok, then.. that's a lot of info to digest in one shot...
Play around with your camera on something other than the tank to start. Get a hang of playing with the settings and how to toggle between apertures and shutter speeds. And feel free to ask me anything you want or even post some test shots for 'critical review' :)


Thank you. I'll make some changes and start messing with it outside of the fishroom. I'll throw up a couple shots to see some opinions.
 
No problem at all.
One key thing that I keep forgetting to mention is the use of an acrylic viewing box when taking top down shots.
Like front glass shooting, place the lens completely flush with the bottom of the viewing box.
Not sure if your camera has the swiveling LCD display on the back of it..
With mine, I can swivel the LCD display to make it face me and use it as the viewfinder while the camera is facing directly down into the water.. extremely convenient!
 
Well.. all this talk of photography got me up on my ladder again.
As per usual, sitting in an arena..
Only got four shots..
All top downs with my 100mm macro. All cropped a bit but not too much.
All the corals are near the surface except for the green goblin that is 2 inches off the bottom of the tank. Obviously the lower on is cropped the most..
PL:

Mystery blue tennuis type:

Another red polyped mystery super cool acro that almost died in the alk drop but is rebounding amazingly:

The deep green beast: I have a piece of this up high- in the focus comparison shot above and again right down at the bottom. They both have the same intense green. I love this coral. Love the growth pattern, its heartiness and the intensity. This was one of the rescue corals from a year and a bit ago..

Hope you like'em! :)
 
Holy **** reefmutt. You just taught me everything I needed to know to get clean and clear pictures with my camera.

The lights are almost out, I took a single picture after reading your post and it's the most crisp and well defined picture my camera has ever taken..

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That's literally applying everything you just said for the first time, with the lights almost out, and half arsing it. You just unlocked a new achievement: Pictures worth a damn.
 
I'm very happy to hear i could help!
now, take some top downs and don't half arse it and post'em up.
i will reserve criticism until then. ;)
 
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Another red polyped mystery super cool acro that almost died in the alk drop but is rebounding amazingly:


Hope you like'em! :)[/QUOTE]

I love this acro with red polyps and orange rings to them. It has super potential.:beer:
 
Wow Matt,
some glowing sticks photos. Keep climbing those ladder to get those photos.
Safely of course.
Good exercise, climbing that ladder! :)
Thanks!
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Another red polyped mystery super cool acro that almost died in the alk drop but is rebounding amazingly:


Hope you like'em! :)

I love this acro with red polyps and orange rings to them. It has super potential.:beer:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, thanks. It has morphed quite a bit from what it looked like 2 years ago when it was at its peak. I mov d it and it went into a dark dormant phase. The alk drop shocked it awake.. that orange is completely new. Maybe it's transitioning back to what it used to look like- mostly red.
Here it is from just over two years ago!


Awesome. Feel free to post photos every day. :)
Thanks, Mark:) don't get me started!
 
So here are some pictures before taking your advice. No lightroom touch ups.


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That's enough until I heed your advice. Most aren't straight on and my lens isn't against the tank. :headwalls::blown: I will post up some corrected photos soon.





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Ok. Not bad. I like the first one and the last one. Last one is probably best for focus.
However! Let's work in the first one. It's a good simple shot and I see the frag isn't extremely close to the glass.. also, you can just see the zoox pattern in the body of the coral. I want to see that more clearly.
What were your settings for that shot?
Take the same shot again. Put all your lights on, -make sure you put the lens right up against the glass of the tank. Use an aperture of 8 and make sure your ISO is high enough to get at least 1/120 sec shutter.
And.. what is the blue coral in the second shot? :) nice.

Oh.. and were you able to adjust the k value (white balance) of the camera prior to shooting?
 
Thanks. I don't know the settings or how to look them up. The frag is about 4 inches from the glass, is that too close to work? That blue coral is some ORA named coral that I can't remember the name for. I can adjust the white balance and was using a custom white balance for those shots.
 
Thanks. I don't know the settings or how to look them up. The frag is about 4 inches from the glass, is that too close to work? That blue coral is some ORA named coral that I can't remember the name for. I can adjust the white balance and was using a custom white balance for those shots.

I don't think 4 inches is too close. But it's almost too close. When you half press the shutter release, you should see a green square telling you that the lens has focused. Or maybe the camera will beep. Not too sure.
Half pressing the shutter will set up the camera and make it focus on the subject. It will also tell you the aperture and shutter speed and the ISO setting inside the viewfinder.
With that half press of the shutter release button, the camera wakes up and sets up but doesn't take the photo. This allows you to see all the info that the camera will use to take the photo. If you want to alter the shutter speed or aperture, you can do it there..
I'm realizing how tough this is without having your camera in front of me to see if what I'm telling you makes any sense. All the cameras are slightly different but since we are both using cannons, it shouldn't be too bad.
Once the photo is taken, you can play back the photo and there should be an info button that will tell you the settings that it used for the shot..
Anyways, let's start with that frag- unless you have a better one that may be a couple inches farther away but that you can get a good shot of with the camera lens right up against the glass.
 
The following is a pm from Raikie

Rakie said:
Explaining how the Aperture works has really helped me get more crisp photos, so I gotta ask -- Any tips on retaining more natural colors?

Camera is an old Point and Shoot Canon G7. I can shoot in RAW, but surprisingly... The colors retained are less accurate.

Rakie said:
reefmutt said:
That g7 is a fantastic camera. It's only limitation is it's lens. You should be able to get very nice photos from it.
You should have, in settings, some choices for the type of lighting you are shooting under.. like cloudy day or fluorescent lighting etc and you may even have k adjustments on that camera. Set it to the highest k value you can.


Okay, when you say this, are you talking about the White Balance? IF so, sadly I can't set the K value, and the best looking option is the 'evaluate' setting where the camera takes a pic and sets a custom white balance. It's the best visual option by so much it's not even funny.


reefmutt said:
The rest of colour adjustments you do in Lightroom or other app.. I use Snapseed on my phone for all post photo colour adjustments.


I have an old Photoshop, but I can get Lightroom. I have an iPad that's been sitting around forever that I can try Snapseed on.


reefmutt said:
Anyways, if you don't mind, later, I'm going to copy and paste your question to my thread because this is a very common hurdle that people have with their cameras-- it's good info.. :)


Do it! The breakdown of the aperture really helped me. Sadly with photography, I don't even know enough to ask the right questions to solve my problems LOL...

Someone needs to do a VERY simple run down on the bare bones basics of photography in relation to reefs. I'm talking straight up ELI5 (Explain Like I'm Five years old) -- I'm totally not suggesting YOU do this, but I have the unfortunate feeling that I'll be able to put one together by the time I'm done asking you questions >_> lol..

You're right, a super bare bones explanation would be good, the problem is that each camera works just differently enough that it would be tough.
But really, proper focus is the number one thing to get down...
Proper focus through front glass really needs you to get as parallel to the glass as possible- this the advice to but the camera right against the glass..
For top downs, you really need a viewing box and a fast enough shutter speed- about 1/120 of a second to get sharp focus.
Everybody love the fluorescent colours from when all the blue lights are on but he best way to start trying to take decent pics is when all of your light are on. It's easiest when there is as much light as possible.
If you can do that custom white balance, try doing it against a blue piece of paper or something.
For me, I am able to put the photos directly onto my phone. No memory cards required. That's why I use an iPhone app to edit.
The smartphone apps are simpler to use than most photo editing apps on computers, I think.
This may all get a little incoherent.. if I don't answer a question, please ask me again.
 
Thanks Matt!

As for the 'Taking pictures for Reef Dummies' post, I meant like basic general info. Like the info you gave about how to work the aperture will work for any single camera with an aperture that can be adjusted.

Blue only pics: I'm against the LED only pics myself. If the tank is healthy the color will be there, if you only have pictures under blue light you probably don't have much worth seeing.

White Balance: Okay I'll try it against a blue object. So far the best evaluative white balance I've gotten was using the gray area's in the tanks LR.

Could you explain why a blue over a neutral? I know what the Evaluative WB does, but not how it works. For me, understanding the method behind the results will help me better fine tune things.
 
My reasoning (which may not be sound) for using a blue object is that you are trying to have the camera ignore blue because most reef lighting is so blue heavy. So if you tell the camera that the excessive blue is 'normal' (by pointing it at blue and setting the white balance) it should bring out a more 'normal' looking photo because the blue is no longer accentuated.
I've actually never tried this theory.. you are the guinea pig! :)
Also, I am by no means an accomplished photographer. I am a total lightweight, hobbyist wannabee. One day when I have more time, I will actually get serious about it. I'd love to learn all the ins and outs of Lightroom. And my own camera. I only know the basics, really..
Yeah, the aperture stuff is good solid basics.
So is focus. For some reason, focus is often overlooked.
Movement and shutter speeds are also important. We often have limited light when shooting the tank (therefor forced to use slower shutter speeds) so you want as little movement as possible. That's why I always say to turn all your pumps off. Gives sharper polyps.
 
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