Learning/rebuilding from my epic fail

Hi Matt

Have you seen this BRS video ?... I am almost sure you did, but just in case....

https://youtu.be/kUFzzlwXOwI

As I have been having good algae growth with my 24 W hydroponic lights, I decided to replace the full spectrum reef light over the fuge with this one:

MAXSISUN Dimmable 300W LED Grow Light 12-band Full Spectrum Veg and Bloom Dimmers for Indoor Greenhouse Plants https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N45HUOJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_dbZPzbRFXJATC

When installed I will update my thread with pictures.

Cheers
Daniel

You're welcome Matt. My little guys have just started their daily hoovering mission:

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Strombus snails (or conch's for our non-inverted friends :P ) are one of my favourite reef inverts! I've always had and always will have them in my tank! :) Definitely a worthy addition

They are very cool little critters. I will definitely look for some. I don't think I see them around here very often, though.
 
Matt,

After all the years that you've help me with encouragement and advice, I finally got my ostrich head out of my own Sand Bed, and discovered this thread.

What a wealth of information.

Been reading from the beginning over last couple of days. Really appreciate how you documented your journey which was a roller coaster at times.

Not even half way finished reading as I try to digest all the great information.
This thread is so great since it's not a typical "here is my perfect tank" WITHOUT a story and details how it got to that point.

You had troubles like many of us do, and you never gave up.

I couldn't help but to jump forward in this thread to peek at the present to see if the book has a good ending.

Amazing success. Your tank is Spectacular. Corals are out of this world.
A true inspiration to me that one can overcome the various setbacks that this challenging hobby throws at us, No matter how experienced we are.

Sure I'm green with Envy as many others have stated, but it's not a negative thing, it gives me courage and strength to continuing trying.

I'd give up on my SPS ONLY Tank if it were not for you.

Many Thanks. And keep inspiring us all.

Wally

Nice words Wally !!!!

Daniel

Thanks, Dan!:)

Wally,
This hobby can be so crazy sometimes with the highs and lows and at the same time so amazing how it speaks to different people in different ways. Biology, electronics, pure art and all combined.. playing god, trying to manipulate Mother Nature and still make it look good..
After all these years, I have never lost the passion.. although it has wavered at times.
I very much appreciate you saying that you've gotten so much out of my thread. That is really satisfying to hear!
My tank is still not a success, in my eyes, though. Yes it is doing quite well at the moment and obviously I show off the parts that are doing the best but I still don't have one of those 'perfect tanks' like Steve weist, or Leonardo, or denadai or Darryl V or Joe peck or Joe (jbny) or v1 or... the aquaforest show tanks or the zeovit show tanks... or the countless amazing tanks I haven't mentioned here on RC and the countless ones out there that nobody ever sees but the owners.
Heck, this tank isn't even as nice as my old tank was. But boooy o boy have I learned a LOT from his tank..
I really hope it has helped and inspired people. I'm glad it has inspired you because you are a reef nut, that's for sure! :)
I'm really kind of a hack and an undisciplined experimenter and yes this tank has given me troubles- mostly of my own doing and all the things I have screwed up along the way are probably holding back a number of corals in my tank right now.
Still a work in progress and still learning..
Thanks for the kind words, Wally!
 
They are very cool little critters. I will definitely look for some. I don't think I see them around here very often, though.
Just don't get the wrong species.
I bought one a year ago for my Algae CUC experiment. LFS dude put him into a baggy with a 5 snails that I also bought.
When I got home, I found out that 2 snail shells were empty.
I thought the LFS packed me some duds.
When I poured the bag into a bowl, the conch zipped over to another live snail and sucked him out in a split of a second in front of my eyes, then was dashing over to next live snail.
I had to rip him off the snail, but it was too late. The snail looked like it melted in the Conch's mouth. Shell empty and polished.
I was left in shock!
 
Just don't get the wrong species.
I bought one a year ago for my Algae CUC experiment. LFS dude put him into a baggy with a 5 snails that I also bought.
When I got home, I found out that 2 snail shells were empty.
I thought the LFS packed me some duds.
When I poured the bag into a bowl, the conch zipped over to another live snail and sucked him out in a split of a second in front of my eyes, then was dashing over to next live snail.
I had to rip him off the snail, but it was too late. The snail looked like it melted in the Conch's mouth. Shell empty and polished.
I was left in shock!

:eek:

Thanks..
 
Hey Matt, the tanks you mentioned set a pretty high bar, some of the best ever, but then that's how we grow, by stretching ourselves. I'm glad things are going good, the corals are looking great these days, thanks for sharing it all with us.
 
Hey Matt, the tanks you mentioned set a pretty high bar, some of the best ever, but then that's how we grow, by stretching ourselves. I'm glad things are going good, the corals are looking great these days, thanks for sharing it all with us.

Hey Scott, thanks! It's my pleasure to share.. and yes, high bar, indeed! But isn't that what we all are striving for ultimately? The state of perfect reef tank health and balance?
Presentation is one thing.. some people like to collect, some like to grow out and others are trying to grow out their collections but whatever the easthetics of doing this, we are all trying to create the perfect intersection of coral health, colour and growth.
I guess when I started in this hobby it was about getting the corals to survive and then grow. Then, it was to get them to flourish..
Now, most of that is simple and we are trying to farm them and make them look like rainbow candy and jewelry. And we can. Or, some can.
But regardless of what we are trying to achieve personally, the route to that end is through the methods that made those great tanks great.
What makes it tricky is that not all of the great tanks took the exact same route to greatness!
Like I said, I'm a hack and an experimenter and I've tried an aweful lot of stuff on this tank and had quite a few setbacks - and some successes but ultimately my goal is to achieve a stunning, thriving 100% healthy reef and I am still far from that.. and workin' on it! :)
 
Hey y'all.. I figured I'd do a small update on the Cheato situation..
It's good!
Before leaving for vacation an month ago, n was down to below 1 and p was sitting around .1. Because of the low n, I had reduced the photoperiod of the cheato from 13 hours to around 9 and instructed my tank sitter to add some calcium cano3 while I was gone.
I came home to n back up around 5-10 ish and p a little higher.. so I clearly overreacted to the dropping n. Since my return, I increase photoperiod back to 13 hours and stopped adding n- currently I am back to the previous numbers. N is a bit below .25 on the Red Sea kit and p is around .1-.12 range.
Cheato continues to grow vigorously! It is a very thick and dense mat. I'll have to pull some out..
I am again going to begin adding cano3 to try to get back above 1 ppm n and see if this will get the cheato to pull p down a few more points.
Meanwhile, I am seeing good growth from the corals and colours are continuing to change/develope with the lowered n and p..
I just pulled out a 6 ish inch across ssc that I grew from a 1 inch frag and gave it to a friend. (One day he'll start a build bread..)
It was a solid green with nice red polyps but no red on the corralites. Probably not getting quite enough light intensity. I wanted to make room for
Not interesting stuff
Here's the colony out of water..

Now I got real estate for not corals!!! woohoo!

And here's some macro shots..
Habanero and what I've been calling the wave because of its relentless plating growth. Starting to look like a Diablo..

The wave by itself..

The wave and 24 k:

I will probably never post pics again without a shot of my centre pices corals:
The bruise- which may also be better lit Diablo, blueberry wine and OP. They are centre stage and up high. The colour on them is intense and whenever I take photos of them, hey look like I've added saturation.. but I haven't. They are really intense..

And OP

Here's an update shot of WD. Under all of my lighting: 150w ushio 20k, 4 blue plus, 2 coral plus and AI Prime leds.
It has not encrusted one bit but is doing nicely:

Here's a couple shots of a confirmed rr red Diablo.
Body:

New growth:


And here's a cool coral bonanza shot:


I'll post a few more a bit later..
 
Hey Matt,

Corals look great. I love the bright yellow one, and really want something Yellow in my tank.
Still digging thru your thread, but I read along the way that you were using an Iphone for many of you coral pictures.
Is that true for these photos. Do you shoot thru Tank Glass, Thru Water, or one of those viewers?
I might try my Daughter's I-phone6 (if she will part from it). My SLR has just too many features to get Coral Shots right. Some come out, but after many attempts.

However, they say that the Subject can sometimes outweigh the Camera and you certainly have some beautiful subjects.
 
Hey Wally, thanks!
That yellow piece was originally from Fragbox. He called it habanero.
If you want a tried and true yellow coral that isn't to tricky to keep, try some Pink Lemonade. Pretty hearty - maybe not quite as yellow and a pickachu or Pink Floyd but still a good yellow coral when under strong light..
Here's a recent pic of my PL from yesterday:

Quite a beautiful coral imo..
I really only use my iPhone for editing photos. I use the app Snapseed.
I take 95% of photos with my canon 70d and 100mm macro lens. Or 17-85mm zoom.
Then, I transfer (via wifi) from camera to phone and edit on my phone.
I take videos with my iPhone. Once or twice with a cheep $20 waterproof case and the last one with a plexi viewing box where I just layed the phone on the bottom of the box.
All of these recent shots are taken using my macro lens, shooting through the viewing box. The end of the lens sits flush with the bottom of the box.
Here are some more..
No name yellow coral I got as a frag from raging reef a couple years ago. It has been nearly killed and moved around but after mostly rtning last October during my alk crash, it rapidly regenerated- like I've never seen a coral do- and now it is growing fairly well.. still waiting for more pe..

Couple pink matrix shots..


This is Fragbox's Robin Hood. Took a bit to colour up but it is pretty neat now:

Acrodesiac:

Fiji hyacinthus.
 
Hey y'all.. I figured I'd do a small update on the Cheato situation..
It's good!
Before leaving for vacation an month ago, n was down to below 1 and p was sitting around .1. Because of the low n, I had reduced the photoperiod of the cheato from 13 hours to around 9 and instructed my tank sitter to add some calcium cano3 while I was gone.
I came home to n back up around 5-10 ish and p a little higher.. so I clearly overreacted to the dropping n. Since my return, I increase photoperiod back to 13 hours and stopped adding n- currently I am back to the previous numbers. N is a bit below .25 on the Red Sea kit and p is around .1-.12 range.
Cheato continues to grow vigorously! It is a very thick and dense mat. I'll have to pull some out..
I am again going to begin adding cano3 to try to get back above 1 ppm n and see if this will get the cheato to pull p down a few more points.
Meanwhile, I am seeing good growth from the corals and colours are continuing to change/develope with the lowered n and p..
I just pulled out a 6 ish inch across ssc that I grew from a 1 inch frag and gave it to a friend. (One day he'll start a build bread..)
It was a solid green with nice red polyps but no red on the corralites. Probably not getting quite enough light intensity. I wanted to make room for
Not interesting stuff
Here's the colony out of water..

Now I got real estate for not corals!!! woohoo!

And here's some macro shots..
Habanero and what I've been calling the wave because of its relentless plating growth. Starting to look like a Diablo..

The wave by itself..

The wave and 24 k:

I will probably never post pics again without a shot of my centre pices corals:
The bruise- which may also be better lit Diablo, blueberry wine and OP. They are centre stage and up high. The colour on them is intense and whenever I take photos of them, hey look like I've added saturation.. but I haven't. They are really intense..

And OP

Here's an update shot of WD. Under all of my lighting: 150w ushio 20k, 4 blue plus, 2 coral plus and AI Prime leds.
It has not encrusted one bit but is doing nicely:

Here's a couple shots of a confirmed rr red Diablo.
Body:

New growth:


And here's a cool coral bonanza shot:


I'll post a few more a bit later..

Gorgeous Matt! I can't wait to get my frags to colony sized pieces, waiting sucks!
 
Hey Wally, thanks!
That yellow piece was originally from Fragbox. He called it habanero.
If you want a tried and true yellow coral that isn't to tricky to keep, try some Pink Lemonade. Pretty hearty - maybe not quite as yellow and a pickachu or Pink Floyd but still a good yellow coral when under strong light..
Here's a recent pic of my PL from yesterday:
....
Quite a beautiful coral imo..
I really only use my iPhone for editing photos. I use the app Snapseed.
I take 95% of photos with my canon 70d and 100mm macro lens. Or 17-85mm zoom.
Ouch!! I love the Pink Lemonade in your yellow selection. Easy to keep is up my alley.
All your Corals are spectacular. I also really like the No-name.
I'm on the hunt for anything Yellow (hard to find lately).
In my Frag World I have some blue/purples. All the Corraline Covered Rock is plenty of purple/red to look at, but untill frags become colonies, they don't stand out.
Yellows really stands out for some contrast.

I would really like to find a YELLOW "Turbinaria". I had one and it was one of my favorites. Something about it always memorized me with the complimentary Polyps.
For a plating coral it didn't grow too fast to take up space like a plating Montipora can.

Interesting. I shoot with Canon Rebel SL1. 18-55mm standard lense.
Thought macro is the way to go, but never got one yet.
But I do have a Zoom 55-250mm Lense. Never taken out of box. Must try it.
I won't get into photograph questions here, so I'll PM you what setting you use on Canon. I've played with Auto, P, M. Various White Balances, including Auto. Got into Raw vs Jpeg.
Trying to figure out ideal setting for Depth of Field, ISO, etc.
Tripod and shutting off Circulation probably a must to get shots like you have.
I always wonder if folks wait for Night Time when PE is highest, and then briefly turn on light for a quick photo.
Or maybe your Corals are Always Happy to show off like that.
 
I hate you with a deep seeded and passionate hatred Matt :lolspin: :debi: Bloody hell, do you know how to colour some gorgeous corals and take some impressive macro's :D

An absolute inspiration as usual!!
 
Really glad to hear you've finally got a handle on the phos Matt, your acros put mine to shame as usual mate. :thumbsup:
 
I hate you with a deep seeded and passionate hatred Matt :lolspin: :debi: Bloody hell, do you know how to colour some gorgeous corals and take some impressive macro's :D

An absolute inspiration as usual!!
Dom I know you're a twisted guy and when you say hate, you really mean love!
I love you too! ;)
Thanks, man!!
Once again your pics never disappoint. You should seriously think about putting a photo book together with some of these.
Thanks! The photo book would actually be a dream to do but really who the heck would look at it aside from a handful of sps nuts.. I'd own a copy and I'd have to give the rest away as gifts. Maybe my mom would actually buy one..
Really glad to hear you've finally got a handle on the phos Matt, your acros put mine to shame as usual mate. :thumbsup:
Hey Andrew, that is a seriously high compliment and I thank you for lying to me!
The phos is still a work in progress.. not sure if dosing n will actually get the cheato to lower phos or not. We'll see.
Nice update Matt :thumbsup:

Love that Pink Matrix!!
Thanks Ed! This coral really loves my tank..
Here's another piece I have. It is the most recent frag I got in early spring in case I lost the other pieces after my alk incident.
This is the base but it is also growing from the tips...
 
Ouch!! I love the Pink Lemonade in your yellow selection. Easy to keep is up my alley.
All your Corals are spectacular. I also really like the No-name.
I'm on the hunt for anything Yellow (hard to find lately).
In my Frag World I have some blue/purples. All the Corraline Covered Rock is plenty of purple/red to look at, but untill frags become colonies, they don't stand out.
Yellows really stands out for some contrast.

I would really like to find a YELLOW "Turbinaria". I had one and it was one of my favorites. Something about it always memorized me with the complimentary Polyps.
For a plating coral it didn't grow too fast to take up space like a plating Montipora can.

Interesting. I shoot with Canon Rebel SL1. 18-55mm standard lense.
Thought macro is the way to go, but never got one yet.
But I do have a Zoom 55-250mm Lense. Never taken out of box. Must try it.
I won't get into photograph questions here, so I'll PM you what setting you use on Canon. I've played with Auto, P, M. Various White Balances, including Auto. Got into Raw vs Jpeg.
Trying to figure out ideal setting for Depth of Field, ISO, etc.
Tripod and shutting off Circulation probably a must to get shots like you have.
I always wonder if folks wait for Night Time when PE is highest, and then briefly turn on light for a quick photo.
Or maybe your Corals are Always Happy to show off like that.

Hey Wally, thanks!
Your 18-55 should be good to shoot with top down but I'm not sure the bigger zoom will be able to focus close enough for top downs. For front shots where you can stand back a bit, it'll be good.
The idea of switching on the lights after dark is a damn good one! The pe would be fantastic!! But I'm too busy sleeping when the lights are off and the pe is huge. Maybe one day I'll try that... hm..

I figured I'd post your pm question and my response on my thread because I pretty much get the same amount of satisfaction and pleasure out of photography as I do out of reef keeping and since my thread is so filled with photos, why not answer a photography question here..
Your post above covers most of your questions, so no need to post your pm..
I've covered a lot of this here and there but like everything in life, it's buried somewhere in some long lost page of this thread.
For starters, yes, all pumps off and ideally, all lights on (unless you're going for wild and wacky coloured shots for sales reasons!! :) then you just turn on your blue t5 and/or LEDs.)
I think a top down viewing box is pretty essential as well. If you are shooting through the glass, my preferred method is to have the end of the lens pressed right up against the glass of the tank- this allows for steadiness when shooting with low shutter speeds but more importantly (for clarity) it puts your lens exactly perpendicular to the glass of the tank. When the lens isn't perfectly perpendicular, you get distortions in the image. The thicker the glass of your tank, the worse it is.
Next best thing is a tripod, but again, images will be most clear when you get as perpendicular to the glass as possible.
Now, if you have a zoom lens and you can stand way back from the tank, this perpendicular rule is not as strict.
I took a bunch of fish pics a couple months ago with with my zoom, while standing back a bit (on angles) and they came out pretty well..
Here..






As for top down shots. Viewing box, I'd say is essential- again lens pressed against the bottom of the box. For two reasons: reduced refraction (like when shooting from front of tank) and also to remove reflections from the overhead lights into lens.
As for white balance settings, my camera has a few preset options, as well as a choice of Kelvin temp- all the way up to 10k.
If your camera has this, put it up as high as you can.
If you only have preset options for type of lighting, put it on 'cloudy day' setting. I think this is about 8k.
Yes, in program mode, the camera is pretty useless for shooting your tank.
Because I do a lot of sports photography (of my kids - soccer, hockey, lacrosse) I always leave my camera in shutter speed priority. The camera then adjusts the aperture depending on the ISO setting and the ambient lighting. You could just as easily put it in aperture priority but I'll get to that in a minute...
For the lighting on my tank, I seem to need to use an ISO of about 800-1000 to achieve the apertures I want within the shutter speeds that give clear photos (1/10th-1/200th) my lens has some anti shake features which come in handy when shooting still subjects like coral. If your lens doesn't have anti shake, don't shoot below about 1/50th unless you have a real steady hand. 1/30th would be the lowest I'd suggest.
High shutter speeds really don't give you any advantage for shooting corals (fish are different, they need higher shutter speeds) unless there is flow in the tank and you want to capture still polyps.
Of flow is off, lower shutter speeds are fine.
And lower shutter speeds allow you to have more latitude with good ol' depth of field.

Depth of field- the higher the aperture number (smaller aperture) the greater the depth of field, the more of the image will be in focus.
The smaller the aperture numbers, (larger aperture) the tighter the depth of field, so very little will be in focus.
The choice of aperture is a creative thing, mostly.. sometimes it's cool to get one single polyp in focus with lots of background blur (so, lower aperture numbers) and sometimes you want to see more of the coral in focus (so, higher aperture numbers) As I mentioned earlier, I put my camera in shutter priority and let the camera choose the aperture only because I am used to changing the shutter speed for shooting sports stuff.
I am always watching the aperture, that the camera chooses and if I want greater or less depth of field, I adjust the shutter speed to make the camera change aperture to my liking.. lower shutter speeds to get more in focus because it allows for smaller aperture (higher aperture number) and vice versa for higher shutter speeds.
One thing to keep in mind is that when you really close down the aperture (high number for greater depth) you begin to lose clarity or crispness and detail in the image so, going beyond 16 or 22 you start to notice some degradation of the image.
You could always use aperture priority to get the depth of field you want but you have to keep an eye on the shutter speed so that it doesn't get too slow.

So that was the long answer to your questions.
The short answer is that I'd say the camera setting sweet spot would be the following.
ISO: between 400-800
Lighting type: cloudy or 10k or higher if your camera goes higher..
Shutter speed: between 1/60th and 1/200th of a sec.
aperture: between 8-11.
Viewing box with lens perpendicular to bottom of box or front glass.

Obviously these setting will depend on the available light you have.. if you have less blue, you may not need to go for such a high k setting but most of us, these days have blue heavy light sources- especially as far as the camera sees it.

This only gives you the best possible image from the camera. It still may be blue-ish. Using an app like Snapseed, you can warm the photo up and it can also be cropped and sharpened to make it look more sexy!

As for jpeg vs raw, if you have the option to shoot raw and you want to download the photos to a computer for editing in photoshop or some other program, raw is essential. If just has so much more information than a jpeg file.
Inshoot in raw but when the photos get transferred to my camera, they are converted automatically to jpeg.. but I don't keep my photos in my computer.. they are just in my phone and backed up to the computer in jpeg..
I really should start downloading the shots to photoshop in raw format.. just to have the original large files..
Any and every photographer will tell you to keep them as raw, if you can.

Hope his helps! Feel free to ask any more questions!

Here's a last shot from yesterday.. an arm of my JF Flame.

And a random no name..
 
Matt those pictures are amazing! I like the photo book ideas. They're are plenty of easy apps for creating them too. Affordable and easy. I for one would purchase one.

I think dosing n will make the cheato take up more phosphate. I've always found lc to be a great way to drop phosphates. Especially if they aren't rising in your system.

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Matt those pictures are amazing! I like the photo book ideas. They're are plenty of easy apps for creating them too. Affordable and easy. I for one would purchase one.

I think dosing n will make the cheato take up more phosphate. I've always found lc to be a great way to drop phosphates. Especially if they aren't rising in your system.

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Hey Brandon, very nice of you to say! It's an interesting idea.. just seems so self indulgent to make a whole photo book of my corals..
Now, if somebody could finance me to go around and shoot all the nice tanks in the US or something like that, now THAT would be cool!! :)
As for p, I have LC at the ready as well as gfo.. but I am going to try the nitrate dosing first..
I just did a major cheato harvest.. it was so dense, it was like a solid mat. It had started growing out of the water..
That may slow nutrient uptake.. ill test in a couple days and see what happened.
 
Hey Wally, thanks!
I took a bunch of fish pics a couple months ago with with my zoom, while standing back a bit (on angles) and they came out pretty well..
Here..
Matt,

All YOUR photo's to us Reefer types take our breath away.

As much as we gawk at the macros you captured of beauty of your SPS Corals and notice fine details of the Polyps, Texture and Color of SPS Coral skin, most folks wouldn't know what the picture is of.

However without any doubt, how could anyone Not Notice the Spectacular photo you shared above.
The Beautiful Detailed Wrasse looks suspended is liquid space, frozen in time, yet there is action in the fins of the forward facing fish.
All presented in a backdrop of a multi-colored collage of spectacular corals. Amazing Photo!!

The third Fish Photo is also something else with the beautiful fish in crisp focus while the other colorful fish frame him so eloquently in their splash of color beauty.

On the topic of Photo Book, your thread is a living photo book, and what makes it so interesting to me is the progress over time. Very helpful. Very Inspiring.

I was in a Camera store "Henry's" no to long ago, asking them about my Camera and Lense requirements SPECIFIC for Fish Tank photography.
The sales guy pulled out an PHOTO BOOK that was specific to a Nikon Camera that showed examples.
He was pointing to how great the camera takes photo's of Bricks. Then another photo of a macro shot of a Thimble.
Interesting, nice detail, but off topic.
A few of your beautiful SPS Photos would have been better sales material to me. Probably would have bought the camera.

Thanks for the Technical Photo tips:
I never tried the Shutter Priority mode. Will try.
I certainly have to make myself a viewing box.
The Lense against the Glass is a interesting idea, and will try, however I get feeling my focal length may not cut it in my small 65Gallon SPS tank.

I agree on you lighting type settings (play with them all), (works many times).
However one lighting setting you should try if you haven't is Custom White Balance. You take a photo of something Pure White in your tank with whatever lighting you want (It will look blue for example). Then you set White Balance to Custom and select that photo. The camera will surprisingly adjust the White Balance perfectly to your tank, and you will get some very close matching colors on your Corals in the blue light). Not perfect for every shot, but try a full shot of your tank.

Thanks for everything. Looking forward to more photo's and progress updates in the future.
Wally
 
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