LED or Halide Question

My $0.02 here. I've run 50/50 CFL, halide, T5, and LED. I went back to T5 after trying LED for awhile. I couldn't get the colors out of the LED that I could with other lights, and I like being able to tune the color temp by swapping out bulbs on my T5. Plenty of PAR, great color, can grow anything, and no heat issues (10" from water surface, ATI fixture, no canopy). Growth rate on my SPS isn't the greatest, but a reef tank is a long game, so I don't really care.
 
I have gone from MH to LED to all T5 to MH/T5. I was really impressed with the all t5 (8 x 80W ATI) but after about 8 months I thought the colors just didn't seem "up to par". I switched 3 250W radium MH and 4 T5, best color and growth. YMMV as there are so many other variables.
 
My $0.02 here. I've run 50/50 CFL, halide, T5, and LED. I went back to T5 after trying LED for awhile. I couldn't get the colors out of the LED that I could with other lights, and I like being able to tune the color temp by swapping out bulbs on my T5. Plenty of PAR, great color, can grow anything, and no heat issues (10" from water surface, ATI fixture, no canopy). Growth rate on my SPS isn't the greatest, but a reef tank is a long game, so I don't really care.

What kind of LED did you have that the color temp wasn't adjustable?
 
Sanjay made the same comment. He lives in PA so running halides. He recycles the heat as it warms up in his home and reduces his heating bill. IMO LED works if you need small sources with high light density, or if you live in a very warm region and cooling is the dominant expenditure.

I think the closer you are to natural sources of energy (not electricity), the better... so, I'm going for a sunroom and gas heating in the winter. Both are closer to the true source- the sun- than electricity that is at least one or two degrees away.

I am adding high light density LED UV sources, but that's because they don't block the sunlight and I need to add back the blue that the sunroom glass removes.

Unless something recently changed, Sanjay has been using Radions from Ecotech for a couple years now.
 
To each their own. Things and technology change. 800 initial investment in a quality LED fixture is steep but it till theoretically last 8years.
MH, also great and time tested. But, 250 or 300 for the fixture, 100 for a quality bulb every 6-8mos and the electricity cost it becomes negligible IMO.
I use A Kessil A360we with T5 accent. It works beautifully for my application and think from using all forms Over the years has been the best both worlds. It's all opinion and just like ****&^%#... everyone has one.

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100 for a quality bulb every 6-8mos

A Phoenix bulb is $60 and arguably the most (maybe 2nd behind a Radium) successful bulb ever used. Multiple tests have proven a quality MH bulb lasts 18+ months with very little PAR loss or spectral shift.

If someone really wants to change a MH bulb every 6 months at the tune of $100, that's their choice. It's their money. It's just not the best practice IMO

In the end, people have to decide what works best for their specific tank and situation. For some that's LEDs. For others, it's MH. For the rest, it may be a mix of all of them.
 
I lol when non mh users horribly overstate the cost and replacement schedule. 12-18 months is typical. Not 6. Radium 250 watts are $80 on average. Probably the second most expensive hobby marketed bulb behind the iwasaki 6500k. Otherwise the Phoenix 14k (which lets be honest is basically a DE radium) and the entire line of Hamilton bulbs is $60. Sigh. I miss my Radiums. I've never had a light that looked so perfect all on its own


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30 dollars difference and 5 extra months is a big deal. My point was, both with cost you in different ways and is negligible. MH work well and if you'd . Re read my post, I did say that. MH is tried and true and produces beautiful tanks, so do the others. That's all I was saying. My LFS has both the bulbs you mentioned they are 83.00. Didn't know it was every two years though. That's awesome.


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20 bux diff. isn't "horribly" overstated. The schedule I will concede was. Sorry for the misinformation

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I lol when non mh users horribly overstate the cost and replacement schedule. 12-18 months is typical. Not 6. Radium 250 watts are $80 on average. Probably the second most expensive hobby marketed bulb behind the iwasaki 6500k. Otherwise the Phoenix 14k (which lets be honest is basically a DE radium) and the entire line of Hamilton bulbs is $60. Sigh. I miss my Radiums. I've never had a light that looked so perfect all on its own


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I LOL when MH users make assumptions that anyone who makes a statement on replacement costs for MH means they're not a MH user or haven't been.

See what I did there?

I knew of many MH users in the past that were on replacement schedules for their bulbs between 6-8 months. I was also one of them.

It was specifically my choice of course, and yes you could technically keep that bulb going until it dies if you wanted, but that doesn't mean you should. I'm also not stating that you do or did. However some people actually DO.

It's been well documented the lifespan and changes within MH bulbs in the course of less than one year. We're not using them to see in a room or a shop, we're using them to stimulate and keep life alive, and to get certain colors from our specimens.

When swapping my radiums at 6-8 months, I legitimately saw a difference in color and the look of the tank. Did I "want" to replace them every 6-8 months? Of course not, but the difference visually was a necessity for me, after the bulb replacement I always saw a positive change in my corals as well.

After going over the cost of initial setup of my last tank plus replacement of bulbs or bulbs that randomly die (which definitely happens) After 6-7 years of owning a Vertex Illumina 4' LED fixture, I'm waaaaaaay head.

Even if I replaced my bulbs yearly, I would STILL be ahead.

Located in Canada, Radiums after tax were hitting me around 100 a pop or more sometimes, and I went through 2 GOOD QUALITY ballasts in 5 years. I also watched my friends go through their icecap ballasts over the years as well.

And every year that goes by I'll be farther and farther ahead financially while my other self would still be replacing bulbs.

Of course this decision is based on buying a high end fixture from the get go which should last a long time.

We now have full blown distributors of corals now using Radion's for the success of their business. We all know LED's are more than capable to grow SPS well, and get excellent colors.

What it comes down to, is the curve where you're ahead financially. Meaning the cost of the initial setup, the bulbs you choose to buy, the ballasts, and then that cost multiplied over your replacement schedule.

The average life of my fixture when calculated was over 12 years (I'd probably get over 20 years out of these LED's as they're only at 70% at max), at halflife now I'm already far ahead of a MH setup for cost.

Let me point out - 6 years ago, people thought spending over 2K for an LED light fixture was retarded. lol

I loved my MH setup and coloration, but after my experience with a high quality LED fixture, I would never go back.

In 10 years, I think you'll be hard pressed to find MH owners out there. It's old technology, has no versatility and lets be honest.... it shouldn't surprise anyone. The one's that will be hanging onto MH are the ones who personally like to stick with what works for them, not because it's "better."

My advice to the OP in this situation is simple. It's based on 3 things.

What is your budget?

If you buy a high end LED setup it will initially cost more than the MH setup. But it "should" last long enough for you to eventually save money VS the cost of replacing bulbs.

What do you want it to do?

Do you want great color and growth (Based on the bulb you get of course) or do you want great color and growth with endless capabilities?

Storms, cloud coverage, the ability for the brightness to peak at a certain time mid day, already implemented moon lights, a lunar cycle, etc.

The MH, is a Bulb that turns on and off. That's it, that's all.

What do YOU want to do with it?

LED's will require tweaking, finding schedules others are posting and trying, and then finding out what works best for your tank. You'll have to invest time researching and getting it to exactly what you want. This is also something people really enjoy. Others, not so much as they just want it to work.

For MH, just screw in the bulb and sit back. (make sure you get the right K bulb you like of course)

If you have the cash for an high quality LED setup and you're not intimidated with playing with it....Buy LED and never look back. :dance:

Plus when I look at the cost of building a canopy, fans, DIY reflectors, moonlights, etc....Even the initial amount of savings isn't that much.
 
I LOL when MH users make assumptions that anyone who makes a statement on replacement costs for MH means they're not a MH user or haven't been.

See what I did there?

I knew of many MH users in the past that were on replacement schedules for their bulbs between 6-8 months. I was also one of them.

It was specifically my choice of course, and yes you could technically keep that bulb going until it dies if you wanted, but that doesn't mean you should. I'm also not stating that you do or did. However some people actually DO.

It's been well documented the lifespan and changes within MH bulbs in the course of less than one year. We're not using them to see in a room or a shop, we're using them to stimulate and keep life alive, and to get certain colors from our specimens.

When swapping my radiums at 6-8 months, I legitimately saw a difference in color and the look of the tank. Did I "want" to replace them every 6-8 months? Of course not, but the difference visually was a necessity for me, after the bulb replacement I always saw a positive change in my corals as well.

After going over the cost of initial setup of my last tank plus replacement of bulbs or bulbs that randomly die (which definitely happens) After 6-7 years of owning a Vertex Illumina 4' LED fixture, I'm waaaaaaay head.

Even if I replaced my bulbs yearly, I would STILL be ahead.

Located in Canada, Radiums after tax were hitting me around 100 a pop or more sometimes, and I went through 2 GOOD QUALITY ballasts in 5 years. I also watched my friends go through their icecap ballasts over the years as well.

And every year that goes by I'll be farther and farther ahead financially while my other self would still be replacing bulbs.

Of course this decision is based on buying a high end fixture from the get go which should last a long time.

We now have full blown distributors of corals now using Radion's for the success of their business. We all know LED's are more than capable to grow SPS well, and get excellent colors.

What it comes down to, is the curve where you're ahead financially. Meaning the cost of the initial setup, the bulbs you choose to buy, the ballasts, and then that cost multiplied over your replacement schedule.

The average life of my fixture when calculated was over 12 years (I'd probably get over 20 years out of these LED's as they're only at 70% at max), at halflife now I'm already far ahead of a MH setup for cost.

Let me point out - 6 years ago, people thought spending over 2K for an LED light fixture was retarded. lol

I loved my MH setup and coloration, but after my experience with a high quality LED fixture, I would never go back.

In 10 years, I think you'll be hard pressed to find MH owners out there. It's old technology, has no versatility and lets be honest.... it shouldn't surprise anyone. The one's that will be hanging onto MH are the ones who personally like to stick with what works for them, not because it's "better."

My advice to the OP in this situation is simple. It's based on 3 things.

What is your budget?

If you buy a high end LED setup it will initially cost more than the MH setup. But it "should" last long enough for you to eventually save money VS the cost of replacing bulbs.

What do you want it to do?

Do you want great color and growth (Based on the bulb you get of course) or do you want great color and growth with endless capabilities?

Storms, cloud coverage, the ability for the brightness to peak at a certain time mid day, already implemented moon lights, a lunar cycle, etc.

The MH, is a Bulb that turns on and off. That's it, that's all.

What do YOU want to do with it?

LED's will require tweaking, finding schedules others are posting and trying, and then finding out what works best for your tank. You'll have to invest time researching and getting it to exactly what you want. This is also something people really enjoy. Others, not so much as they just want it to work.

For MH, just screw in the bulb and sit back. (make sure you get the right K bulb you like of course)

If you have the cash for an high quality LED setup and you're not intimidated with playing with it....Buy LED and never look back. :dance:

Plus when I look at the cost of building a canopy, fans, DIY reflectors, moonlights, etc....Even the initial amount of savings isn't that much.
Thanks for the backup. In every single article I have read or people that are current MH uses the replacement schedule is Definitely NOT 18MOS. It's as I originally stated and was criticized for 8-10 mos. 12 at The latest. We will all continue to agree or disagree with this issue. I like that I can not worry for 5 years with my Kessil A360we and am fine with replacing my supplemental t5 bulbs every 6 months or so. For the original post.. Just do what works best for you and your situation. For those that are critical because new things scare them and therefore must be bad or not as good as your choice of lighting....[emoji15] [emoji24]

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Are there really successful tanks that do this? It would stink in the north where it gets dark before 6 for like half of the year.
I know a local guy here in Utah that utilizes sunlight for the majority of his lighting. He has supplemental lighting on the tank for later viewing and to bring in some more blue. His tanks are always healthy. Not my cup of tea but works very well for him.
 
I LOL when MH users make assumptions that anyone who makes a statement on replacement costs for MH means they're not a MH user or haven't been.

See what I did there?

I knew of many MH users in the past that were on replacement schedules for their bulbs between 6-8 months. I was also one of them.

It was specifically my choice of course, and yes you could technically keep that bulb going until it dies if you wanted, but that doesn't mean you should. I'm also not stating that you do or did. However some people actually DO.

It's been well documented the lifespan and changes within MH bulbs in the course of less than one year. We're not using them to see in a room or a shop, we're using them to stimulate and keep life alive, and to get certain colors from our specimens.

When swapping my radiums at 6-8 months, I legitimately saw a difference in color and the look of the tank. Did I "want" to replace them every 6-8 months? Of course not, but the difference visually was a necessity for me, after the bulb replacement I always saw a positive change in my corals as well.

After going over the cost of initial setup of my last tank plus replacement of bulbs or bulbs that randomly die (which definitely happens) After 6-7 years of owning a Vertex Illumina 4' LED fixture, I'm waaaaaaay head.

Even if I replaced my bulbs yearly, I would STILL be ahead.

Located in Canada, Radiums after tax were hitting me around 100 a pop or more sometimes, and I went through 2 GOOD QUALITY ballasts in 5 years. I also watched my friends go through their icecap ballasts over the years as well.

And every year that goes by I'll be farther and farther ahead financially while my other self would still be replacing bulbs.

Of course this decision is based on buying a high end fixture from the get go which should last a long time.

We now have full blown distributors of corals now using Radion's for the success of their business. We all know LED's are more than capable to grow SPS well, and get excellent colors.

What it comes down to, is the curve where you're ahead financially. Meaning the cost of the initial setup, the bulbs you choose to buy, the ballasts, and then that cost multiplied over your replacement schedule.

The average life of my fixture when calculated was over 12 years (I'd probably get over 20 years out of these LED's as they're only at 70% at max), at halflife now I'm already far ahead of a MH setup for cost.

Let me point out - 6 years ago, people thought spending over 2K for an LED light fixture was retarded. lol

I loved my MH setup and coloration, but after my experience with a high quality LED fixture, I would never go back.

In 10 years, I think you'll be hard pressed to find MH owners out there. It's old technology, has no versatility and lets be honest.... it shouldn't surprise anyone. The one's that will be hanging onto MH are the ones who personally like to stick with what works for them, not because it's "better."

My advice to the OP in this situation is simple. It's based on 3 things.

What is your budget?

If you buy a high end LED setup it will initially cost more than the MH setup. But it "should" last long enough for you to eventually save money VS the cost of replacing bulbs.

What do you want it to do?

Do you want great color and growth (Based on the bulb you get of course) or do you want great color and growth with endless capabilities?

Storms, cloud coverage, the ability for the brightness to peak at a certain time mid day, already implemented moon lights, a lunar cycle, etc.

The MH, is a Bulb that turns on and off. That's it, that's all.

What do YOU want to do with it?

LED's will require tweaking, finding schedules others are posting and trying, and then finding out what works best for your tank. You'll have to invest time researching and getting it to exactly what you want. This is also something people really enjoy. Others, not so much as they just want it to work.

For MH, just screw in the bulb and sit back. (make sure you get the right K bulb you like of course)

If you have the cash for an high quality LED setup and you're not intimidated with playing with it....Buy LED and never look back. :dance:

Plus when I look at the cost of building a canopy, fans, DIY reflectors, moonlights, etc....Even the initial amount of savings isn't that much.



No sarcasm but I got the jist of the post in the first paragraph. Literally and truly sure you're experienced and have a fine tank and know your lighting. But I'll be honest. As far as the rest of the post..
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I've used both and had plenty of friends who have used both and seen plenty of fantastic health way beyond the one year mark on bulbs. Yes they lose power and shift. But that doesn't guarantee coral death or even decline. Also for the record I use neither mh nor led. Saw positives of both though


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Ya keep throwing out verbs saying things like "Horribly overstated" , "Many friends and "I've used bulbs WAY beyond" but all of those have been challenged. But you don't want to read those and put cutsey cartoons to argue your point? It's just a Bulb discussion man and each person has a preference. I'm not arguing that all are good just that my experience isn't unique nor is yours an impossibility. My first post you blasted said all of this.

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I've not once argued anything actually. Simply stated you can go longer and bulbs don't cost that much. And I didn't blast anything. Just that it doesn't cost $100 per bulb every 6 months. $80 at 12 months IS a lot less than $200 over 12 months. That is overstated. If someone chooses to replace them every 6 months because they fear a 10% par loss or whatever that is Their choice. But it's not NECESSARY. That's not the guaranteed baseline cost of running MH


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No sarcasm but I got the jist of the post in the first paragraph. Literally and truly sure you're experienced and have a fine tank and know your lighting. But I'll be honest. As far as the rest of the post..
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I've used both and had plenty of friends who have used both and seen plenty of fantastic health way beyond the one year mark on bulbs. Yes they lose power and shift. But that doesn't guarantee coral death or even decline. Also for the record I use neither mh nor led. Saw positives of both though


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That's cute.

If you can't find the time to read something (moving your eyes back and forth)

Then sheesh, Why are you here on a forum? More importantly, why should anyone care about your opinion in the future?
 
That's cute.

If you can't find the time to read something (moving your eyes back and forth)

Then sheesh, Why are you here on a forum? More importantly, why should anyone care about your opinion in the future?



You shouldn't care about anyone's opinion you don't want to. I lead a perfectly happy life by that philosophy. I apply it to several people on this thread. You should try it. Also try and lighten up. Stress is bad for your heart and head


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