Let's see those non-Indo acanthastrea lordhowensis!

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7879125#post7879125 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by smp
I currently hate the state of this hobby. Let me guess, you probably sell a lot of "non-indo" frags for premium prices, right?
Armchair taxonomy.

Would you like to go back to the time when 2 x 175w halide setups were $1,000 and the highest Kelvin rating was 6500K?

Would you like to go back to the frustration of not being able to keep any stoney coral for more than a few months, and not know why? The only corals you can keep alive are brown button polyps and mushrooms. Yellow polyps were your most colorful coral.

How about having all your organisms and drygoods being available only through the LFS or a mail order company that sends out one catalog a year.

:D
 
I did a little background on the one I posted and it is the same as Jendub's Strawberry Shortcake, if that helps placement at all.
 
The Strawberry Shortcake? I don't want to mention his name on the boards, but I'll PM you his name. He got his from the supplier you got yours from at the same time, I believe.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7879125#post7879125 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by smp
Are you serious?!!!
You're saying you can sit there and tell people where their corals come from just by looking at pictures?
I currently hate the state of this hobby. Let me guess, you probably sell a lot of "non-indo" frags for premium prices, right?
Armchair taxonomy.

Nope, I don't. I don't sell frags at all, save for a couple I threw on eBay to see what they'd do. Not worth it. I trade when I can, and have been doing that more frequently lately.

Any non-scientist practices 'armchair taxonomy' so I'm not sure where you're coming from there.

..and no, not 'corals'...but I certainly believe I can tell where your acan lord comes from (or doesn't come from), which was my point to begin with.

Thanks for the attack, tho...I appreciate it.

Peace,

Chip
 
Here's my only colony at the mo' (My others didn't survive a topup failure while on holiday.) -

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Can't get a better pic as it's right at the back of the tank. As I'm in Australia it has to be non-indo (unless there's some smuggling going on)

These were my other now defunct non-indo lords -
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Not sure if that last one was a lord or another Acan sp. Anyhow, the most noticeable thing is that the polyp shape seems to be more irregular than indo lords, imo.
 
Thanks for sharing your Acans isjg.

I've noticed a lot of Australian Acans have that white fringe to the polyps.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but are non-Indo breeds supposed to be better or something? I would think that even in Japan, we get in quite a few Indonesian breeds, since it is far less protected than the stuff from Okinawa/Izu.

Since I had credit leftover at a store for a bad shipment, I picked up one of these. http://www.petballoon.co.jp/item/viewItem.php?prm=CE028 What is this called in English? (We call it a kikumeishi in Japanese)
 
Considering in the U.S. non-indo is supposed to be the only ones we can get in the United States. When ones from Japan make it into the counrty they fetch a much higher price, that & most acans from Japan have crazy color morphs for the most part.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7894054#post7894054 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by isjg
The Japanese one looks like a Platygyra sp. to me.

I agree.

Don't sweat the attack Chip people just need to put a little more thought into things before posting ;)
 
I just think it's a total fabrication and a fantasy to tell people where their acans come from without knowing where they were shipped from. The pros will side with me on this, read the articles.
I just despise all the 'coral snobbery' that goes on. A pretty coral is a pretty coral no matter where it comes from.

And about the "non indo" stuff .. Anthony Calfo had this to say about it:

"Acans" listed as "not Indo." Hmmm… that's odd. What does "not Indo" really mean? It begs the questions of where they came from, and why not tell us? If it was simply some other legal exporting country, then why not say so? Or is there some not-so-coincidental correlation to the formerly touted Japanese Acanthastrea that "disappeared" when the rumor got around that law enforcement was looking for poachers? Apparently, a number of corals were illegally exported from Japan under other names (Favites chinensis and Goniatsrea pectinata) that were indeed Acanthastrea. Because of the huge sums of money involved in this confiscated collection and continued plans to continue the illegal profit-making venture, investigations are currently underway (Borneman pers. comms). It seems the conspiracy now extends back to the countries of origin where some traders are getting quite rich while collectors still get a few pennies for collecting the same "closed brain corals" they always have been collecting. Not surprisingly, poachers have continued to bring in shipments of illegally obtained specimens under such guises as Blastomussa. The smuggled corals are so profitable that it is worth using couriers to carry small quantities from Japan among personal belongings! So the marketing game has now changed, and some of those "Acans" labeled as "not-Indo" do look remarkably similar to those Japanese "Acans" offered previously. Again, it does beg the question.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7914284#post7914284 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by smp

I just despise all the 'coral snobbery' that goes on. A pretty coral is a pretty coral no matter where it comes from.

If you ask me, I only see one snob in this thread.
 
And that quote by Calfo is actually PROVING the point. There IS a difference, and some are far more diffucult to obtain. I just traded with Marillion for a frag of the green 'non-indo' he posted at the beginning of the thread, and next to my 6 different indo morphs, you can definitely tell the difference.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7892735#post7892735 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by isjg
Here's my only colony at the mo' (My others didn't survive a topup failure while on holiday.) -

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Can't get a better pic as it's right at the back of the tank. As I'm in Australia it has to be non-indo (unless there's some smuggling going on)

Those are incredible!!!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7923528#post7923528 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zeppelin
And that quote by Calfo is actually PROVING the point. There IS a difference, and some are far more diffucult to obtain. I just traded with Marillion for a frag of the green 'non-indo' he posted at the beginning of the thread, and next to my 6 different indo morphs, you can definitely tell the difference.

So you got the corals okay, Larry? Good...I was wondering. :)

Peace,

Chip
 
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