LFS doesn't acclimate..

Calappidae

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While the lfs was unboxing.. I wittnessed them floating their livestock.. and then in the tank they go..

Some of the staff will carry corals around the store and then right in the tank..

I asked "shouldn't you acclimate?" and my reply was "They're in the shipping box all day long it's quicker and less stressful to just go right in"

I personally will always acclimate and think everything should be acclimated but what are you guy's thoughts on this.. not the greatest lfs I'm aware of that.

I posted in RD since I'm concerning about the acclimation and how important it is.
 
these are LFS who dont care and they figure someone will buy it quick
Most LFS have no time and staff to do this with every cheap coral
maybe the highend they will do
 
The fish are trapped in a tiny amount of water with ammonia, very little oxygen, no where to hide and have been this way for hours. As long as the temperature's are adjusted and the salinity is the same or lower in the LFS water than your LFS is doing it right.

When fish are shipped they need to get into good water ASAP. The longer the fish sits in ammonia laden water the PH gets higher (when the bag is opened) and this causes the ammonia to become more toxic. This is not much of an issue when you transport the fish from the store to your house, but when its been shipped it a whole nether ball game. Not only that but typically LFS keep fish only tanks at 1.015-1.019 Specific Gravity while most hobbyists keep their systems 1.025-1.026. Increasing salinity can be a huge shock to a fish if not done slowly, hence why it is recommended to acclimate fish from your LFS to your tank.

In regards to coral, I have always dipped and dunked without issue.
 
I never acclimate from the store to my house either, overrated. qt is a different story, flatworms etc but never lost anything from instant switch.
 
My LFS keep their tanks at the same salinity as the distributor, so all that is necessary is a 15-20 minute float to equalize temperatures, then right into the tank. THE BEST way to do it for fish that have been in a bag for an extended period of time.
 
I only do temperature acclimation for ALL corals. Chances are they're in pretty nasty water when you get them, and as soon as you open the bag the PH begins to shift, in turn making the ammonia skyrocket. The sooner they're in your tank the better. Inverts and fish are a different story, I drip inverts/fish for about an hour.
 
I've witnessed an LFS in Michigan (Detroit suburb) where the owner dumped all his shipments into a single plastic wheelbarrow, then acclimated all at once. His thinking was that most likely, since all fish came from the same wholesaler and spend the same time in the same water, they should be ok. He had few losses though, but apparently all of those were tax write-offs.

I guess it makes a big difference whether you're into this as a hobbyist or as a business owner.
 
And here I am 3 hour drip acclimating live rock each time I decide to move a peice into a different setup... Now I'm questioning whether or not to acclimate anything since it seems it's more risky to open the bag and acclimate the animal in toxic ammonia rather than simply toss em right in healthy water.
 
Imagine that you are just stepping off a long inter-continental flight. As you step off you are walked through a long hallway with air that has a smooth gradient of temperature and pressure to carefully acclimate you to your new environment. Then once you reach the end of the Skywalk, you are hosed down and sprayed with all kinds of disinfecting agents, then you are allowed to be on your way.

This is kind of like the status quo for what is considered proper coral acclimation procedure, and professed to all new coral acquisitions and purchases. for some reason, somewhere along the way it became normal to at once treat our corals like delicate creatures and then blast them with noxious irritating agents.

In this scenario we carefully adjust the corals’ water to match the alkalinity, pH, temperature, & salinity of their eventual home, and then we give them a rough treatment of citric acid, iodine, pine oil and more to “cleanse” them from any potential pests and parasites they may carry. What is the sense in that?

We discussed it with Julian Sprung and he generally agrees:
“In general it is not necessary to drip acclimate corals or to be very precise about making the temperature adjustment (ie floating the bag). Temperature differences of 5 – 10 degrees F are not a problem for stony corals. Furthermore, stony corals that have become too cold (below 70 degrees F) or too hot (above 85 degrees F) in transit benefit from being transferred to water at a normal temperature (74 – 78 degrees F) without delay.
Xeniids are sensitive to temperature change, however. If Xenia is in the bag at 75 degrees and your tank is maintained at 82 degrees, then it may react negatively for several days. It won’t die, but it will look deflated. You can’t really acclimate it slowly to such a difference. It will react negatively even if you drip acclimate or float it to let the temperature change slowly.
The main thing I check is that the density of the water is more or less close. This is especially important for soft corals. Xeniids in particular do not appreciate a big change in density, but leather corals also may be stressed by a big drop or big increase in density. A change (in either direction) from say. 1.025 to 1.018 might be a problem but from 1.021 to 1.024 is not a problem. Stony corals are less sensitive to these changes. Acroporids may bleach if there is a drop in density of more than .005 points. Increases in density are less problematic.
Before introducing corals to the aquarium I dip corals in Revive, using water from the aquarium or the water from the bag the coral was transported in. “



By and large, most home hobbyists who buy a coral from the LFS or receive it in the mail from an online order should get the colonies into good moving water as soon as possible. Corals are passive creatures, their tissues create natural gradients between them and the outside environment, so acclimating corals is somewhat redundant.

As Julian pointed out, only in extreme cases of temperature or salinity differences, or with temperamental Xeniids, should you take a few minutes to acclimate your corals. But if you acquired your corals locally, chances are the water quality should be right in line with what you have in your own aquarium water.

As for dealing with pests and parasites, this should be done on a case by case basis. We like to “Don’t risk it, dip it”, but parasites of Euphyllia, Chalice corals, Scolymia, Acans and many others are all but unknown in the aquarium hobby. If you’re really that concerned about it, set up a coral holding tank that is separate from your display in which you can quickly get corals into good moving water, and observe for parasites, pests or disease before prophylactically knee-jerk-dipping corals into a caustic coral dip bath.

There’s plenty of cases where you want to pay special attention to the needs and specific parasites of a given coral species, but most of these treatments are for coral professionals to deal with on first import. So without further ado, by and large, this is how most home coral aquarists should acclimate their corals. We do this for 99% of our corals and can’t think of a single time when we saw a negative effect from just getting the coral into good and flowing water as fast as possible.
 
And here I am 3 hour drip acclimating live rock each time I decide to move a peice into a different setup... Now I'm questioning whether or not to acclimate anything since it seems it's more risky to open the bag and acclimate the animal in toxic ammonia rather than simply toss em right in healthy water.

I think it depends. Most places I buy inverts from keep their tanks at 1.025, same as my invert QT. I temperature acclimate, dip, and then put into the tank. All fish get QT'd, so I adjust the salinity of my fish QT to the bag and just float for 15 mins. If you are putting fish right into your DT, and they come locally, then a drip acclimation works fine.
 
For fish, my initial quarantine tank (the first of the tank transfer tanks) is set to the SG of the shipper. So then all that is required is temperature acclimation. For corals, same issue. Never a problem.
 
For stony coral, I found a drastic change in alkalinity/ph/whatever leads to quick browning or bleaching without acclimation.

I actually have seen direct evidence of this. I got a mini colony of Strawberry Shortcake, it broke into two large pieces when I was removing some of the stone. The piece I acclimated over 45 minutes retained color fine. The piece I dumped in the tank right away by mistake browned out right away. It's been 3 months and only about 30% of is back from being browned out while the acclimated piece is fine.
 
How does everybody acclimate SPS Corals if the LFS has Alkalinity levels that are different from your tank?
 
2 of the more popular stores around here do that, everything you buy from them die. 2 of the other more popular stores acclimate and have a more regimented procedure and you can count on their stuff. It takes a while but people learn and don't buy stuff from the dump and sell fast stores. When you have livestock that travel from the ocean to a collector to a wholesaler then to retailer, without acclimation they will not make it.
 
2 of the more popular stores around here do that, everything you buy from them die. 2 of the other more popular stores acclimate and have a more regimented procedure and you can count on their stuff. It takes a while but people learn and don't buy stuff from the dump and sell fast stores. When you have livestock that travel from the ocean to a collector to a wholesaler then to retailer, without acclimation they will not make it.

Out of curiosity would you care to elaborate into more detail as to the why or how? Seems like a statement with little educational value as I'm Pretty sure almost all fish take that route of travel and seems to me lots of people also have fish in their tanks so I'm curious to see what you mean exactly lol
 
How does everybody acclimate SPS Corals if the LFS has Alkalinity levels that are different from your tank?

I know a lot of sps guys leave their new sps out in the air for a little to allow a slime coat to build , supposed to help with the sudden changes although I've not looked into this directly myself as I'm not an sps guy :)
 
How does everybody acclimate SPS Corals if the LFS has Alkalinity levels that are different from your tank?

I'm probably going to get smacked but...there are ranges for ph, temperature and alkalinity for SPS corals...as long as your in the range drop it in. They don't really care as long as they are in good health. Temp acclimate only, to get it in the tank. Most people run into acclimation problems after it's in the tank, like light acclimation...they need to start off low in the tank or at a reduced light intensity.

Getting them in the tank is not hard at all.

As for fish I used to drip acclimate although I do it at a faster rate than some of the threads I've read...at this stage of the game I temp acclimate and dump. I figure my tank is going to be a nice treat to get into after the time in the bag.
 
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