life after ich
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psykobowler
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He said it controls outbreaks which I agree. I think proper nutrition helps fight off the parasite too.
loup
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Dragonvale
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Glad to read this thread. Got a new ozone generator coming in. I use to run one connected to my skimmer on my 250 and it was great. I was wondering does anyone run both, a uv and ozone?
psykobowler
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Jeff and Ann runs it I believe.
jeffm59
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We run Ozone and UV -- the aqua UV unit produces ozone as a by product which is then pushed by an external air pump in to our ozone reactor.
While we do run both - as stated above by Jeff - the actual research and the literature put out by even the ozone unit manufacturer's states that ozone does not kill parasites as large as ich. Even UV only kills what passes through it and only if the flow rate is low enough for the parasite to be properly exposed to the radiation.
In our system - We do run the uv for help with pathogens and we use the ozone to combat the chemical warfare from the various different species of anemones we keep in the same system.
Ozone should be thought of as super activated carbon, the ozone causes organics in the water column to pick up an oxygen molecule making them easier to skim out. The crystal clear water comes from the removal of the various organics in the water which yellow it.
While it is possible that Ozone overdosing might have an effect on the ich parasite out in the tank, I would think corals and other livestock in the tank would also be affected if level were toxic enough to kill the parasite.
I have never seen a study which showed the ich parasite was controlled by the use of ozone - I believe there is a study floating around here on RC somewhere that showed the opposite.
Glenn and I have had this discussion before - so he is aware of my feelings and this is not an attack on Glenn as clearly his method is working for him.
It might be as simple as he feeds a very balanced diet and the ozone reduces the parasite/bacterial load in his tank enough that the fish can fight off the infection.
No matter which direction we look you will find anecdotal evidence showing each side of this debate as valid.
I dosed a large amount of ozone in a 150 gallon system. It made the water absolutely crystal clear.
But when I made the mistake of putting an Achilles in it got ich. That was after a 45 day quarantine with copper and prazi. The ich parasite I believe is almost like the flu. And exists in most our tanks. If we keep our fish healthy they fight it off. If they get stressed and the ich breaks out they then provide a breading ground for the parasite. Increasing it's numbers until they are large enough so the other fish can't fight them off.
Even with that I still QT religiously. For 1 because copper does kill most parasites. And you never want to put a velvet infected fish in your system. I know people who use very complex Ozone systems and have had velvet take everything out. Once the fish is infected it will most likely die. And if the disease hits another fish it will kill them also. It isn't like ich where it needs to fall off and hatch to increase numbers. So in this retrospect there is no way for Ozone to greatly effect it.
I believe Ozone is great for our systems if done correctly. And I believe it will help with reducing the amount of free swimming parasites in the water.
One thing to look at is the commercial fish industry for food and Aquarium use. They have a huge problem with Ich and use a ton of Ozone and UV.
If there was a black and white cure for ich then fish prices would get much better. Let's just hope for that in the future.
I dosed a large amount of ozone in a 150 gallon system. It made the water absolutely crystal clear.
But when I made the mistake of putting an Achilles in it got ich. That was after a 45 day quarantine with copper and prazi. The ich parasite I believe is almost like the flu. And exists in most our tanks. If we keep our fish healthy they fight it off. If they get stressed and the ich breaks out they then provide a breading ground for the parasite. Increasing it's numbers until they are large enough so the other fish can't fight them off.
Even with that I still QT religiously. For 1 because copper does kill most parasites. And you never want to put a velvet infected fish in your system. I know people who use very complex Ozone systems and have had velvet take everything out. Once the fish is infected it will most likely die. And if the disease hits another fish it will kill them also. It isn't like ich where it needs to fall off and hatch to increase numbers. So in this retrospect there is no way for Ozone to greatly effect it.
I believe Ozone is great for our systems if done correctly. And I believe it will help with reducing the amount of free swimming parasites in the water.
One thing to look at is the commercial fish industry for food and Aquarium use. They have a huge problem with Ich and use a ton of Ozone and UV.
If there was a black and white cure for ich then fish prices would get much better. Let's just hope for that in the future.
psykobowler
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I agree with Jeff. It might be a combination of preventative measures and proper nutrition with the livestock. This thread needs some happy fish pictures. We moved to Roseville in October 2011 and I started my setup in the new house January 2012. I lost multiple colonies of sps in the move. I basically started from scratch with this system with the exception of the rock and several fishes that moved with me. My system is now 2 years and 9 months in. My 8foot acropora reef. Cheers!
I think copper is harsh and personally will not use it.
I'm i the only one useing Chloroquine sulfate (Plaquenil)
I've read mutiple post and threads and after i let my tank sit empty for half year.
Here I will post link and let me know what you guys think.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/2/fish
It treats more than just Ich also and is not as harmful to fish. If it's true that public aquariums use it why not try it I ordered a few grams and used it have not noticed side affects.
I have a QT set up buy new fish get it to eat then 3 days later or after I see the fish is calm i dose and treat for 28 days.
I'm i the only one useing Chloroquine sulfate (Plaquenil)
I've read mutiple post and threads and after i let my tank sit empty for half year.
Here I will post link and let me know what you guys think.
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2013/2/fish
It treats more than just Ich also and is not as harmful to fish. If it's true that public aquariums use it why not try it I ordered a few grams and used it have not noticed side affects.
I have a QT set up buy new fish get it to eat then 3 days later or after I see the fish is calm i dose and treat for 28 days.
lynchmob3000
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Speaking of ich and achellis I have an achellis that's been fighting ich for almost 5 weeks. Here's what's got me wondering what's really going on, bc In the morning when the lights are low he's cruising around and I can catch a good angle of his fins and the bumps are more black then normal white ich. I need help! black ich? He's black so I can't tell. I have been noticing prazipro making him more comfortable but after 5-7 days of the treatment he starts to look bad again. I'm about to have to try this ozone! Should i pull him abd put him im qt? any extra advice will greatly be appreciated. Thanks
Chris
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Lynchmob,
You may be experiencing turbinarea (spelling?). Black ich it's sometimes called. Prazi will usually take care of it. But it's probably regular ich also. I qt 'd my Achilles several times. But I feel with these guys it may be a loosing battle. Unless you have a very large system 200 plus gallons. It sometimes depends on how he was caught. They come from the crest of the reef in super turbulent flows and are very hard to catch. Sometimes resulting in them being caught with cyanide or dynamite. From my experience and with reading I have found these fish will have a short tank life even if you find a way to get his ich under control. Now of course there is always exceptions to the rule but I battled this myself only to loose the fish in the third round of QT treatment. I had even went and found the chloroquine treatment.
After reading so much here on the forums about troubles with this fish I decided I will not attempt to keep one until I get my 300 gallon system. Even then I doubt I will attempt any Acanthuras (? Spelling) genus of the Tangs. Gonna stick with the Zebrasomas and Naso genus. Good luck with him boss.
You may be experiencing turbinarea (spelling?). Black ich it's sometimes called. Prazi will usually take care of it. But it's probably regular ich also. I qt 'd my Achilles several times. But I feel with these guys it may be a loosing battle. Unless you have a very large system 200 plus gallons. It sometimes depends on how he was caught. They come from the crest of the reef in super turbulent flows and are very hard to catch. Sometimes resulting in them being caught with cyanide or dynamite. From my experience and with reading I have found these fish will have a short tank life even if you find a way to get his ich under control. Now of course there is always exceptions to the rule but I battled this myself only to loose the fish in the third round of QT treatment. I had even went and found the chloroquine treatment.
After reading so much here on the forums about troubles with this fish I decided I will not attempt to keep one until I get my 300 gallon system. Even then I doubt I will attempt any Acanthuras (? Spelling) genus of the Tangs. Gonna stick with the Zebrasomas and Naso genus. Good luck with him boss.
lynchmob3000
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Oh man that's hard to hear... I can tell he wants to live so badly. He's smaller in size and I thought I could get away with a 120. I bet you are right as the only achellis I've seen doing good are housed 300 to 500 gallon tanks.. man oh man I hope we are wrong. He gets better then he gets worse.
So when using prazipro should I dose it for 5 to 7 days then, do a wc, dose again? I did the wc, that night I would run my skimmer and carbon heavy and dose the next day turning carbon and skimmer back off. Maybe that overnight of not treating isn't good...
So when using prazipro should I dose it for 5 to 7 days then, do a wc, dose again? I did the wc, that night I would run my skimmer and carbon heavy and dose the next day turning carbon and skimmer back off. Maybe that overnight of not treating isn't good...
lynchmob3000
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I got an achellis for you glenn. 
You can prove that ozone is real deal...
You can prove that ozone is real deal...
psykobowler
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I have a mean white cheak tang in the main display. He is not going to be happy. I wish I could add another of the same body type, same genus.
Borchers
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I have personally see Glend tank and he's doing it right. He has all of the big ich magnets and his system looking amazing. All of the fish are fat and happy. Most tangs are huge and ich magnets. I believe it has a major effect running the ozone. I wish I could afford one. I would be running it on my system right now.
I do think a combo of both Ozone and UV would be the best.
I do think a combo of both Ozone and UV would be the best.
JoshuaG
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I've tried it and personally think tank transfer is the easiest and most sure fire way to treat ich. 13 days and you have a completely ich free fish. You can also treat with prazi and other meds during the tank transfer so with just a couple weeks of QT you have some very healthy fish and not have to stress about them wiping out your display.
robert s b.
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+1, I took my wife when I went to Glenn's house, and as impressive as his corals were, my wife over looked it and first thing she told me was his fish was all fat and healthy. Glenn is doing something right, for his system and it shows.
Although I haven't been fortunate enough to see Glenn's tank in person (although I'd love to), there appears to be two common themes in his approach: happy/fat fish and ozone. One could assume ozone coincidental but given his self-proclaimed QT process or lack thereof it appears ozone is his insurance policy when his fish aren't happy. Personally, I find it hard to believe tanks are truly disease free just like saying something is 100% pure for very long. Keeping things in check appears more likely. The caution I have is recommending what other people are saying is very risky. If ozone was the key to success, it would be a ubiquitous piece of equipment in all aquariums like a heater or lights. I can have the same equipment and do everything Tim or Mark or <insert pro reefkeeper name> does and still not have an uber cool reef. Similarly, because I have ozone will I have Glenn's success with fish? Maybe more likely than without. I suspect those disagreeing with Glenn's approach are more unhappy with a lack of QT as that might lead a newcomer astray.
lynchmob3000
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How and what are you dosing in each tank when your doing the transfers?
