life after ich

I suspect those disagreeing with Glenn's approach are more unhappy with a lack of QT as that might lead a newcomer astray.

Correct. I just would hate for someone to think it's good advice to dump fish into their display right from the LFS and that ozone will "cure" any issues they might have. It won't and lack of QT is prob the biggest killer of fish in our hobby once the fish actually get in the hands of the hobbyist.
 
How and what are you dosing in each tank when your doing the transfers?

I treat with Prazi-pro on day 1 and once that is over I treat with KanaPlex or sometimes Furan-2. In just two weeks I can cure the fish of ich, any worms flukes etc and then also treat bacterial issues such as popeye, fin/tail rot, septicemic etc.

Once that is done it's just a visual inspection and making sure the fish is eating and healthy and into the display after that.

I've done this on close to 100 fish in the past year, it's a pretty fool proof way to give you the best odds at healthy fish.
 
My only concern is my qt tanks a 20 long. Last night I red a bunch of articles saying achellis need a 50 gallon plus qt. Right now he's in a 120 with 3 cleaners 3 chromis a mandrin goby some high end chalices and a clam. Should I just pull all lps and live rock and just treat him in the dt?
 
I treat with Prazi-pro on day 1 and once that is over I treat with KanaPlex or sometimes Furan-2. In just two weeks I can cure the fish of ich, any worms flukes etc and then also treat bacterial issues such as popeye, fin/tail rot, septicemic etc.

Once that is done it's just a visual inspection and making sure the fish is eating and healthy and into the display after that.

I've done this on close to 100 fish in the past year, it's a pretty fool proof way to give you the best odds at healthy fish.
Can you get these products at a lfs?
 
Although I haven't been fortunate enough to see Glenn's tank in person (although I'd love to), there appears to be two common themes in his approach: happy/fat fish and ozone. One could assume ozone coincidental but given his self-proclaimed QT process or lack thereof it appears ozone is his insurance policy when his fish aren't happy. Personally, I find it hard to believe tanks are truly disease free just like saying something is 100% pure for very long. Keeping things in check appears more likely. The caution I have is recommending what other people are saying is very risky. If ozone was the key to success, it would be a ubiquitous piece of equipment in all aquariums like a heater or lights. I can have the same equipment and do everything Tim or Mark or <insert pro reefkeeper name> does and still not have an uber cool reef. Similarly, because I have ozone will I have Glenn's success with fish? Maybe more likely than without. I suspect those disagreeing with Glenn's approach are more unhappy with a lack of QT as that might lead a newcomer astray.


I am about 10 to 15 minutes away from yourreef. Just make a right on foothills blvd and turn left at blue oaks blvd. You can send me a pm if you are in the area and want to stop by.
 
Correct. I just would hate for someone to think it's good advice to dump fish into their display right from the LFS and that ozone will "cure" any issues they might have. It won't and lack of QT is prob the biggest killer of fish in our hobby once the fish actually get in the hands of the hobbyist.

I totally agree, QT is first and foremost the best option. For new comers and veterans alike. Plus much cheaper then going out to get a Ozone kit and most people wont have the resources for it. I just added an Ozone, after being in the hobby for so many years. I just use it for added defense. And very happy with it, like I said from my previous post, I did dump a few high end fishes in my tank without QTing the fish, I wouldn't advise that though, but it is what it is, theyre all doing fine.

I just think people getting into the hobby has to be better educated,, to see if they have the time and resources. I still feel Qting and any other form of preventative measures are reserved for advance aquarist.

I have friends and family over, after looking at my tanks. Instantly wants to get into the hobby. But after I show them, what is needed and show them my equipment and QT station. They totally do the 180.

This hobby takes up a lot of time, I hate to say it but it does. I just told one of my friends, either he is all in, or don't start at all. He choice the latter... because this hobby takes commitment.
 
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For a big tank they should not be in the main display before qt properly first
Even thou prazipro is reef safe i still haven't dose my main tank in over 4 years. Do not get me wrong i am very guilty of not qt properly but i wont advice anyone not to get a sick fish and throw it in the tank because you have ozone or uv.

I although i dont qt for ick i still take precaution before adding first since my fish are not cheap. I usually make sure the fish is clean then safety stop x2 let the fish settlle then for large angel, tang and butterfly i do fresh water and prazipro if the fish still clean after the treatment then I decide if fish are ready or not if they are not they are back to qt. But if i have option to do 90 days fallow and do ttm i would.
 
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You would figure for a public aquarium, they would be running ozone and UV already ... those alone would have taken care of the prazi-resistant flukes ...
 
life after ich

You would figure for a public aquarium, they would be running ozone and UV already ... those alone would have taken care of the prazi-resistant flukes ...


Lol
I know aquarium of the pacific have both but they still qt each fish.

Anyway do what works for you but please dont advice reefer to get sick fish and throw in the main tank without qt since there are many ways to " FAILED " according to you i failed because i have sand and about 80% of the hobbyist have sand. So you are basically advising 80% of the people to failed.
 
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Loup obviously is not aware that ozone started in public aquariums and made its way to general consumers. Everything was commercial grade back in the past and none will fit in a sump. People had to DIY ozone reactors before it ever caught on. There were no available reactors when I started. It is not new technology. It is just not acceptable for some despite the results it produce. I never even said it is the cure all. It is just one part of the overall system helping with my tank husbandry. Why is it so hard to accept that I don't quarantine fish yet I am able to keep fish I acquire from the Lfs? I can't be that lucky to get non-sick fish. We all get it from the same source. I know it is standard practice to quarantine. I am all for it but to put medicine just in case as a precautionary measure when the fish has no sign of disease is harsh. If a public aquarium with experienced staff can make a mistake with drugs, the general public or any inexperienced reefer most likely will make the mistake too. I am just showing another alternative that works IMO. I provided the link to show most recent boo boo relating to improve use of medicine.

I had never owned or use a phosphate or nitrate test kit too. The only necessary kit I use is Elos for kh and Red Sea for mg. Yet, I can grow colonies of sps as shown in the pictures I provided. I have a way of doing things that may be unpopular for some but my results speak for itself.
 
Lol
I know aquarium of the pacific have both but they still qt each fish.

Anyway do what works for you but please dont advice reefer to get sick fish and throw in the main tank without qt since there are many ways to " FAILED " according to you i failed because i have sand and about 80% of the hobbyist have sand. So you are basically advising 80% of the people to failed.


Sorry dude, I didn't say you failed in the hobby. I didn't mean it that way. I meant you failed to keep your fish. Your Achilles or something because you couldn't stand seeing it with ick every so often. What I meant is that the sand likely provided a safe haven for larval ick to develop so even using ozone did not eliminate the recurring problem. I do have bare bottom in the display so there is less safe haven for ich. That may be why I had a different result. I use ozotech btw. There might be also a difference in equipment that led to different result. I have nothing against reefers with sand. For the sake of easier maintenance and sand storms I opted without sand.
 
LOL

Thanks for the ozone history. I care not how people go about with their fish. I just thinks its wrong to say medication is bad to use on a fish ....
 
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I had ( still have ) ozotech 200 mg also with 2 avast mutiny 3 with luft pump and it doesnt work as well as my cheap ebay 300mg generator with atb 12.5 deluxe skimmer. As you mention above everyone have different equipment and so many ways to fail so why would you recommend putting a sick fish directly to the tank? Thats one of my biggest issue i have with your post.

I am using ozone for a long time too but they have limits.
 
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