Light Rail, who is using one

Also to all:

How much extra space do you estimate the light rail and pendant require in the canopy? (ie. How tall should I build this thing?)
 
I would say add at least 12" beyond what you would normally have as far as canopy height for a pendant. You can, to some extent, position your pendant lower to the tank as the movement back and forth will help prevent overheating any one spot. This could help with canopy height restrictions.
 
The only downside I see to this is, when the light is on one end of the tank the other end of the tank would be darker.

I would really like to give the mover a try though, and maybe add some T5's to help the darkness issue. :)
 
In my systems if I feel there's a need to add supplemental lights I might as well just add the additional MH instead and eliminate the mover. My reasoning is long term savings in both power consumption as well as bulb maintenance.

SteveU
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10257651#post10257651 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gtrestoration
In my systems if I feel there's a need to add supplemental lights I might as well just add the additional MH instead and eliminate the mover. My reasoning is long term savings in both power consumption as well as bulb maintenance.

SteveU

That's why I'm trying to hash out how many supplemental T5s people are using. If you end up with 216W of supplemental T5 why not just go to a second 250W MH?
I'm hoping that 2 x 3' T5s should provide enough supplemental light over a 48" tank.

On the subject of power conservation: Can someone give us an idea on how much power the light mover itself draws?
 
Mine says 5.5 W but I've not verified that number. It could be twice that and still be ok with me.

As far as supplemental T5, you'll just have to decide how much light is enough for you.
IIRC, I'm only moving mine about 15" over a 48" tank, another 6" and it would be pretty good coverage end-to-end. I have it stopping short on one side based on what I keep at that end of the tank. It's a lumenarc lll though and they deliver good spread.

SteveU
 
Just saw the 3" T5. Keep in mind the ends will look somewhat dark when the mover is on the other end. Not sure how much of that will be overridden by T5's being 6" shy of the ends as well. If T5 is like VHO the ends deliver the weakest light.

SteveU
 
Hmmm- good point about the 3' T5s.

Probably would need to use the 4' T5s which means we're going to have a bump in wattage (they 54w each?)

I suppose one could place a 24" T5 at each end running perpendicular to the front of the tank, but I would think that would look kinda strange.

I didn't realize the light mover used only 5-10w. That's great. Makes it a non-factor.
 
The reduction in energy costs due to the fact that you can use say one MH instead of two is more of a side benefit than the motivation IMO. The real motivation is to provide light that is more beneficial from a biological standpoint. Periodic light/dark illumination allows the toxic free radicals that build up during photosynthesis to be removed. Also, using a light mover will help provide good light to areas that would otherwise be perpetually shaded - thus allowing for more natural growth. Then let's talk about the simple fact that MHs produce PAR that can vary greatly from one spot in the tank to the next. A single SPS coral, for instance, in a MH lit aquarium can have spots where the light intensity is so great that it is bleaching it while at the same time have spots that are under-lit. For me at least, this is the primary appeal - although I also enjoy the effect.

As far as supplemental T5 or VHO lighting goes, I would stick with blue or actinic lighting and just use what is needed to create the aesthetic look you want. The MH on the light mover, if properly matched to the situation, should provide enough light for the corals. The supplemental should be thought of only for aesthetics - if you did more than that you're kinda eliminating the purpose for the light mover in the first place.
 
Photosyntheticaly Active Radiation, basically a description of light between 400-700nm (light that is usable for photosynthesis). PPFD (Photosynthetic Photon Flux Density) is the actual measurement of PAR, which is in units of micromoles of photons per square meter per second.

If you were to measure a surface for PPFD, you would gain an understanding of how much usable light hits that given area, thus serving as a proper basis of comparing light sources with respect to their ability to provide light for coral growth.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10259068#post10259068 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by salmon alley
That's why I'm trying to hash out how many supplemental T5s people are using. If you end up with 216W of supplemental T5 why not just go to a second 250W MH?
I'm hoping that 2 x 3' T5s should provide enough supplemental light over a 48" tank.

On the subject of power conservation: Can someone give us an idea on how much power the light mover itself draws?


a guy in WRS (the same club hanmeister and I belong to) has a 250w se with 2x54 of t5ho b+ on a 75g, and the 2 x 54 does more than well enough for supplemental lighting.

when I get my 90 going eventually, i will run 3 or 3 x54, depending on what will fit, and that all depends on what reflector I use. Since I have 2 m58 ballasts I am sure I can get for either nothing or next to it, i will run 2x250 SE, just because i can. I know 4 x54 w reflectors will not fit on a 90 with any type of mh , but will on a std 120
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10259068#post10259068 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by salmon alley
That's why I'm trying to hash out how many supplemental T5s people are using. If you end up with 216W of supplemental T5 why not just go to a second 250W MH?
I'm hoping that 2 x 3' T5s should provide enough supplemental light over a 48" tank.

On the subject of power conservation: Can someone give us an idea on how much power the light mover itself draws?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10257651#post10257651 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gtrestoration
In my systems if I feel there's a need to add supplemental lights I might as well just add the additional MH instead and eliminate the mover. My reasoning is long term savings in both power consumption as well as bulb maintenance.

SteveU

The point is, in case you havent realized by now, that the tank would normally have dual 250watt halides AND 4x54wattT5s (or at least 2x54wattT5s). The usual I see for a SPS 120/125g is in the 750 watt range. Im getting away with half that. The light mover does allow me to get away with one light where two would be needed. If I were to eliminate the T5s, I would have to use a bluer halide, and then due to the output loss, I would have to have a 400 watt bulb. The use of the 10,000K halide gives me the highest efficiency from a halide, and the blue+ T5s are much more efficient at making blue light than any halide. That combo ratio, for starters, is perhaps the best 'bang for the buck' lighting you can get.

The T5s are what really makes the system work better from the illumination POV as well as viewing. The T5s along the whole tank prevent the light levels from dropping below 100 microMols. Most of the tank, even at the sand, wont drop below 150 with the T5s (only the back corners that are otherwise in total shadow). Without them, there are many spots in the tank that with the 250 alone would drop down to 10-20 microMols. The T5s keep this minimum level up so that corals dont think its total darkness. Then, the halide goes back and forth to give the corals a 'blast' of high output to really charge their photosynthetic cells with energy. The color choice is so that when the bulb is not directly over a certain spot, the tank will be blue.

I COULD just run a pheonix for the halide, and then use a full spectrum T5 solution as well with say... 2x blue+, 1x super actinic, 1x midday or something like that, but I truly believe that as far as growth and pigmentation goes, the fuller spectrum of the UShio will help out more, and if I do want more output, I can swap in my G-man 14,500K for about 20% more output even. To me, the peak that a pheonix would make, although high in PAR, is very monochromatic, so to me, the ushio is just better for this. IT also means that before and after the halide comes on, the T5s will have that 'night club' actinic look for viewing. With the pheonix and a full spectrum compliment of T5s, I would only have daylight and daylight when using the bulbs by themselves.

I will most likely be swapping out the PFO pendant for the lumenarcDE pendant too for better coverage/spread with the halide. I started putting in the T5 fixtures, and I can just barely fit a 14" wide reflector in there... so I will. If not that, I suppose I could order the 'stealth' which is only 11" wide... but I already have the 14" pendant.

I chatted with Julian Sprung on it this last weekend, and he thinks its a wonderful idea. The T5s keeping up the minimum light levels, the halide on the mover, and the ability to halve what my wattage would be for a 125g otherwise. Sanjay was in the conversation as well, and by the end of the conference, was asking the Gualala guy for the motor to add to the light rail over his 500g. He will keep all three lumnarcs/400s, but just have them move back and forth about a foot or so.
 
I don't really disagree but find a single 250W Radium SE overdriven by an HQI ballast is all I need on a 48" x 24" x 15" tank with the mover. Supplements IMO on this tank would do nothing positive. I have the best growth and color in this tank that shares a common sump with the others.

I will say though that for a display tank some might not be satisfied with the difference in look from side to side as the fixture travels.

SteveU
 
I am in the process of setting up two 5ft X 24 tanks that will have the light movers holding a radium 250 watt on each, running on a dual galaxy ballast. I also have ordered two set's of 5 ft (60") T5's running on two ice cap 660's for supplemental lighting. I really dont know if the supplemental lighting shoud be blue/actinic or run daylight lamps so I ordered both to see the difference. I hope to have this setup by AUGUST!!!:smokin:
 
hahnmeister great post.
An off topic question kind-of. How does bleaching affect the lightrail use? That is IF I understand the term "bleaching" correctly
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10266237#post10266237 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ebolii
hahnmeister great post.
An off topic question kind-of. How does bleaching affect the lightrail use? That is IF I understand the term "bleaching" correctly

the light rail eliminates bleaching of the corals since it doesnt sit in one spot and "burn" the corals directly under the light.

by moving it side to side, the bleaching effect is taken care of
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10265346#post10265346 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gtrestoration
I don't really disagree but find a single 250W Radium SE overdriven by an HQI ballast is all I need on a 48" x 24" x 15" tank with the mover. Supplements IMO on this tank would do nothing positive. I have the best growth and color in this tank that shares a common sump with the others.

I will say though that for a display tank some might not be satisfied with the difference in look from side to side as the fixture travels.

SteveU

i can say that MH/ t5 ho combo lit tanks have by far the best growth and color.. from what i have seen at least.
 
Hahn

Wouldn't you get better coverage if you had your pendant perpendicular to the tank, thus having better coverage front to back?

That way you could have the mover move the pendants a couple of inches closer to the end of the tank.
 
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