Lighting In An SPS Tank

krzyphsygy

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I have a 90gl tank 48x18x24 standard and want to switch my current fixture out. I have a 2x250watt Halide fixture with 4x54watt t-5. outer orbit. Its a great unit but I want to change out and try to save some money on electric bills and bulbs.

So I am thinking about a t-5 fixture. But not sure what to get. I want to keep mainleySPS corals, but it will be mixed. I do not want LEDS right now as they are too expensive for me.

What T-5 unit should I go with ATI Powermodule 6x bulbs or 8x bulbs
Tek light 6 or 8 bulbs
Icecap 6 or 8 bulbs

Really bulb qty is my question. I would like to run 6 bulbs to not over due it, but at the same time place sps corals down the bottom.
Thanks
 
I have a 90gl tank 48x18x24 standard and want to switch my current fixture out. I have a 2x250watt Halide fixture with 4x54watt t-5. outer orbit. Its a great unit but I want to change out and try to save some money on electric bills and bulbs.

So I am thinking about a t-5 fixture. But not sure what to get. I want to keep mainleySPS corals, but it will be mixed. I do not want LEDS right now as they are too expensive for me.

What T-5 unit should I go with ATI Powermodule 6x bulbs or 8x bulbs
Tek light 6 or 8 bulbs
Icecap 6 or 8 bulbs

Really bulb qty is my question. I would like to run 6 bulbs to not over due it, but at the same time place sps corals down the bottom.
Thanks
 
I have a tek light 8x54w over my 120g. It measures 47" x 19.5" and sits just inside the area of the tank. You may want to think about the size of the fixture itself. Just a heads up
 
Why are you switching to t5 if your trying to save money on bulbs? Have you ever had to replace t5 bulbs? They cost just as much as mh bulbs do. If your trying to save electricity don't switch to t5 cause there about the same watts.
 
Not completely true. Depending on the setup. A 6 bulb T5 setup at 48" would use only 324 watts. Also to change bulbs would be average of $20 a bulb, so about $120.
 
Why are you switching to t5 if your trying to save money on bulbs? Have you ever had to replace t5 bulbs? They cost just as much as mh bulbs do. If your trying to save electricity don't switch to t5 cause there about the same watts.

Yea they do, however they generally, from what I have read last between 9-18 months where as halides last 9-12 months so the replacement will be about a possible 8 months or so. Now the 6 bulb fixture is about 325 watts and I am running 716 watts.....big differance.
I love metal halides and my fixture is a great fixture. Now also in consideration is the heat. I have a chiller that I do not want to run once I get set up because its an eye sore and cuts down on my gph. Plus positioning the unit is difficult because it needs 2-3 feet behind it to run properly.
The shame though is that the chiller and fixture are only about a year in use so they are in good shape. I am setting up the new tank in the den and want to cut dowm on equipment visible. Plus I want to try T-5's. I will miss the shimmer though but thought maybe I can add some led moonlights to help with that and use them at night.
 
I have a tek light 8x54w over my 120g. It measures 47" x 19.5" and sits just inside the area of the tank. You may want to think about the size of the fixture itself. Just a heads up



Gonzalex, thoughts on your fixture?

What types of corals do you keep? Do you like it? I like that fixture because of the mounting legs option. What do you think, would you do it over again?
 
I am not one to try to change anyones mind. I switched to LED's to save money. I am now back to MH. You have to think about how much the initial and ongoing cost are compared to your previous set up. You could try changing a MH bulb to one that does not require T5 supplimentation. For me I saved the most money by changing things in my household. For example I switched all lights to CFL's. I also put my entertainment systems one a xmas light switch. So it turns off all power to tv, cable box, and stereio. This saved the most power. I would looked into ideas like that before you switch lighting. Save that money and spend that on corals and save power around the house hold. My 2 cents!
 
I think you would be best off with an ATI Sunpower T5 48w X 6 fixture... They are actively cooled and they have the same reflectors and ballasts as the PM. They are also much cheaper. T5s do get hot, but they do not radiate heat like MHs. So, you will have lower electricity costs if you run a chiller.. Also, I would not recommend running the T5s over 11 months. They do tend to lose their intensity. change mine at 11 months and also raise them from 6 inches above the water to 12" at that time. Wthin a week's time, I notice a growth spurt. For reference, my tank is a predom SPS. You can check my homepage from specs and my experiences with my ATI fixture..


Another nice thing about the T5 option, is that you can stagger your bulb replacement so that you don't get hit all at once.. Many T5ers practice this method of replacement due to the price and protecting corals from the heightened PAR shock of all new bulbs... Good luck!
 
I think you would be best off with an ATI Sunpower T5 48w X 6 fixture... They are actively cooled and they have the same reflectors and ballasts as the PM. They are also much cheaper. T5s do get hot, but they do not radiate heat like MHs. So, you will have lower electricity costs if you run a chiller.. Also, I would not recommend running the T5s over 11 months. They do tend to lose their intensity. change mine at 11 months and also raise them from 6 inches above the water to 12" at that time. Wthin a week's time, I notice a growth spurt. For reference, my tank is a predom SPS. You can check my homepage from specs and my experiences with my ATI fixture..


Another nice thing about the T5 option, is that you can stagger your bulb replacement so that you don't get hit all at once.. Many T5ers practice this method of replacement due to the price and protecting corals from the heightened PAR shock of all new bulbs... Good luck!
Jbanks, I wonder if this fixture can add the leds to them like the add on ones or something.
 
why are you switching to t5 if your trying to save money on bulbs? Have you ever had to replace t5 bulbs? They cost just as much as mh bulbs do. If your trying to save electricity don't switch to t5 cause there about the same watts.

+1
 
Jbanks, I wonder if this fixture can add the leds to them like the add on ones or something.

I wouldn't mess with these fixtures.. ATI PMs and sunpowers need nothing extra IMHO. if you want to supplement with LEDs for shimmer for that crazy dusk/dawn effect add a reefbrite or something..
 
Yea, I was noth thinking drilling or anything, just something I can like attach on somehow.

I see you have the 10 bulb pm, you had mentioned that the 6 bulb sunpower would be good for my 90gl. You think that would be plenty for sps down at the bottom as well?

Alright, another question, how hard was it to hang the fixture from your ceiling. Did you go into studs or straight drywall? I never hung a fixture from the ceiling and am worried about proper placement and lining it up straight and all that. Did you hang it before the tank had water or after??
 
I like the ATI fixture with a LED supplemental strip for shimmer. Ill be adding 1 to my ATI unit when I can find the time/money. My pops has it on his ATI fixture over his 90g and the colors are awesome.
 
I like the ATI fixture with a LED supplemental strip for shimmer. Ill be adding 1 to my ATI unit when I can find the time/money. My pops has it on his ATI fixture over his 90g and the colors are awesome.

How and where did he attach the LED strip?? Sounds like what I want to do,
 
Yea, I was noth thinking drilling or anything, just something I can like attach on somehow.

I see you have the 10 bulb pm, you had mentioned that the 6 bulb sunpower would be good for my 90gl. You think that would be plenty for sps down at the bottom as well?

Alright, another question, how hard was it to hang the fixture from your ceiling. Did you go into studs or straight drywall? I never hung a fixture from the ceiling and am worried about proper placement and lining it up straight and all that. Did you hang it before the tank had water or after??

The 6 bulb will be perfect for your tank. You will be able to keep SPS and clams anywhere you want with that fixture. It wasn't difficult.. I actually hit a joist with one screw and the other i had use a strap Toggle Ancho (same concept as a toggle bolt). I did not use the tiny screws that came with it.. My tank already had water in it. I used a piece of dry wall to cover the tank while a friend and I worked.
 
Why are you switching to t5 if your trying to save money on bulbs? Have you ever had to replace t5 bulbs? They cost just as much as mh bulbs do. If your trying to save electricity don't switch to t5 cause there about the same watts.

Actually, for me a t5 setup would save substantially on electricity. I run three 400 watt Radiums on a six foot tank. The crux of it all is that many halide ballasts pull more/less wattage depending on the bulbs and/or ballast. For instance, my two 400 watt Galaxy ballasts on the left and right side of the tank drive the 400 watt Radium to 458 watts. I run a Blueline e-ballast in the middle and that runs the Radium closer to spec...around 380 watts. I only have them on for 6 hours per day and VHO actinic on for 4 hours per day.

Here's the math:

1. 1,300 watts of halide per hour x 6 hours = 7,800 watts = 7.8 kilowatts x
.15 per kilowatt = $1.17 per day

2. 320 watts of VHO actinic x 4 hours per day = 1,280 watts = @1.3
kilowatts x .15 per kilowatt = .20 per day

Over the course of a 30 day month this equals $41.10 to run halide with VHO actinic without actinics on with halides.

With respect to T5, my 26 inch wide sps tank would require an 8 bulb, 60 inch fixture to cover my 6 foot tank. Without changing the photoperiod of high light for 6 hours, the numbers are as follows:

1. 8 x 80 watt bulbs = 640 watts per hour x 6 hours = 3,840 watts = 3.85
kilowatts x .15 per kilowatt = .58 per day

2. 2 x 80 watt bulbs = 160 watts per hour x 4 hours = 480 watts = .5 kilowatts per day to simulate dusk dawn x .15 per kilowatt = .08 per day

Over the course of a 30 day month this equals .66 per day x 30 = $19.80

Halide = $41.10
T5 = $19.80

T5 would save me $21.30 in electrical consumption per month or $255.60 per year.


Most metal halide sps reefs change out their bulbs at 10 months...some sooner. My sps don't look as good after 10 months without a bulb change. The same can be said for VHO actinic and those with ATI Powermodules that have exceptional reefs. It's safe to say that you will/should change out your bulbs within a year for optimum coral color, growth and avoiding lighting spectrum shift.

3 Radiums x $85 per bulb = $255 (free shipping...yeah!!!)
2 VHO Actinic x $28 per bulb = $56 (free shipping if bought with Radiums)
Total of $311 per year

8 bulb T5 replacement as per Reefgeek with shipping $204 Total

So, the total cost of running a Halide and VHO actinic 6 foot tank for me barring a ballast blowout or premature bulb failure is $804.20

The total cost to run an 8 bulb ATI Powermodule per year is $441.60

T5 wins by a whopping $362.60, a 45% savings in electrical consumption and bulb replacement cost. The numbers translate into smaller tanks as well. Although I love the shimmer of my halide lighting system, I may definitely be switching to t5 simply to save a boatload of money that could be spent elsewhere on the tank or on other hobbies. Switching to LED would have an 8 year break even point to save on the cost of the LED lighting system and electrical consumption savings. Trust me....I did the math.:headwally:

In the end everyone has to decide what they like. I've seen some great halide tanks, and some beautiful and equally stunning t5 tanks. I'm not ready to make the switch to LED for obvious reasons, but if I'm in the hobby 7 or 8 years from now when the kinks are all worked out I may be willing to give it a go.

I hope this helps someone who actually read my whole post.
 
I've got a 6 bulb ATI Power Module over my 75gal.
I don't keep SPS, but like to visit here once an while.
I have only zoas and fishes in my tank!!

Can't tell you how much I like the fixture!!!

Bulbs are changed at most every 12 months. They do loose their ability to the best you can get from them after about 10 months of daily use. They're on about 10 hrs/day.

Get the T5 and choose the best combination for your needs and take advantage of a very good PAR/spectrum combo!!!

I had MH before and wouldn't go back.
Too much heat and the spot light is not better than the uniform of the T5s.

My $.02.

Grandis.
 
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