ComforablyNumb
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I clearly do not wonder why it exists. Wow, how much do you guys twist stuff..whoa.
Lights... hit me...
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Potatohead
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Here's how this went down.
You asked me about map pricing and why it wasn't illegal. You then edited your post something something about Googling it while I was responding. I know you did that because the part I quoted is all that was in your original post. You also then posted again about not worrying about answering it.
Like what the hell is going on here?
You still didn't answer my question about how Bronx was misleading by stating G4 Pro prices went down 40% when his argument was the opposite, you conveniently glossed over that one.
I don't believe MAP pricing is anti-consumer and I mentioned that in my previous post. If you do, you are simply a hypocrite by cutting off retailers who sold your product below the prices you wanted to sell at.
You said goodbye to this thread like five posts ago.
lmao, yes I did know why they set the price and refuse to stock anyone that advertises cheaper. For the same reason all the rest do it. You want a Red Sea tank, its RRP. You want a CADE its RRP. You want a Radion, its RRP.
ComforablyNumb
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I mentioned the Combines Act and if your territory is in Canada, you are governed by it. Do you sell to retail? Are you involved in advertising your product? Even at a local level?
Listen, give it up please. You do not want to argue these points with me. Trust me.
Au contraire. The list prices dropped by 15% when LS starting importing from Bangladesh. And price increases were kept in check.
You clearly have a very simple understanding of how these things work. I do not. I was involved..for years and 2 court cases that directly effected how the company carried on its marketing effects.
Potatohead
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Anyone with half a brain knows why MSRP or MAP pricing exists and what they mean. He seems to think it's some big trade secret.
ComforablyNumb
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lol, thats not what was said at all. Go check.
Potatohead
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Your original queary was asking about the United States, not Canada.
I cannot divulge exactly who I work for, but I am the Vancouver/Lower Mainland area rep for a specific arm of very large, well known German company that specializes in engineering and manufacturing.
ComforablyNumb
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lol..you keep getting deeper and deeper into your tub of BS. I was not a hypocrite, I was doing what the shareholders wanted. I clearly stated what the company did to enforce MAP-like advertising strategies, the outcomes of those cases and why they were won or lost.
LMAO..you are never going to win any argument with anyone knowledgable on the subject..like me.
ComforablyNumb
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It was, but I mentioned the applicable Canadian law several posts ago. You are in Canada are you not?
Potatohead
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Keep reading...
Knowing the ins and outs of consumer law is what our lawyers are for and it's not really my responsibility. What I do know, is the product I deal with is what I know in and out and is a lot more complicated than blue jeans and button up shirts
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Knowing the ins and outs of consumer law is what our lawyers are for and it's not really my responsibility. What I do know, is the product I deal with is what I know in and out and is a lot more complicated than blue jeans and button up shirts
.ComforablyNumb
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And that matters..why? Your parent company and you are both subject to Canadian law, the Combines Act, if you are doing any business-to-business exchange at all in this country where your product is resold to consumers or advertised by price in the media.
ComforablyNumb
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Keep reading...
Knowing the ins and outs of consumer law is what our lawyers are for and it's not really my responsibility. What I do know, is the product I deal with is what I know in and out and is a lot more complicated than blue jeans and button up shirts
Not when it comes to marketing. If I needed any tech backup about the number of threads per inch per fabric offering, number of teeth per inch on the pant fly.. whatever I didnt know..I only had to pick up the ph and contact the proper engineer or dept head.
Marketing is not always knowing all the underlying details in your product's development, design and manufacture (altho that doesnt hurt, and you will usually pick up most of it over time)..but hardly anyone is an expert on all facets of all processes and all details in a large multi-national corp...none of our company presidents would be expected to know all those things either. It is about managing the relationship between manufacturer and retailer, getting those answers when you need them, and increasing the value of yourself to your company and its shareholders.
Thanks all... just to pick up on this post, I'll be removing the lenses, then they mix colour (not color lol) wonderfully... I'll be replacing the 6500k whites with UV also, so not sure how much use a warranty would be anyway :/
What you lose in par for removing lenses will be made up by putting 6 over the tank instead of 3.
I'll be paying £140 (you do the conversions) per 220w of power... which I think is pretty good regardless of whether it's t5, mh or my mother in law holding a desk lamp. Add another £30 or so for the replacement uv leds...
We'll see how it goes, but as they say, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If I can grow acros with cheap leds successfully (without all that crap to do with 'bone' on the undersides), which I will, I'll be well happy
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Potatohead
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Did you mention how big the tank was? 1100 watts I assume it's a big tank.
ComforablyNumb
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lol..violate that law, have someone file a complaint with the govt..and you will be called to court as a witness to defend your actions on behalf of the company before you know it. The offending rep is usually not fired..its mgnt that pays the price for hiring you and not making you aware of applicable law that govern your actions while representing the company to your markets and customers.
ComforablyNumb
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Why..unless you work for CSIS or the CIA?
Anyway..tried to end this, but keep going if you wish.
Potatohead
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This obviously has you boiling. You keep going back and re-quoting old posts trying to find some angle. Pretty funny.
There are only so many massive German companies, I'm sure you can figure it out. It's not an automaker, but most certainly one of their suppliers.
Edit- you still didn't answer my question about Bronx and his pricing skullduggery.
There are only so many massive German companies, I'm sure you can figure it out. It's not an automaker, but most certainly one of their suppliers.
Edit- you still didn't answer my question about Bronx and his pricing skullduggery.
ArmanS
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This thread has gone from a good read to ****.
Let's get back on topic plz.
I've had MH, MH and T5, Radions, and now I have my ATI hybrid.
Honestly for me and my corals the ATI Hybrid is the best. Having said that, I would love if I was able to have an LED fixture that would provide the same results and colors while producing less heat and using less power. I just am not convinced enough yet and on a 120"x36"x30" tank I feel that if I wanted to be successful with LEDs I would need 10-12 fixtures.
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Let's get back on topic plz.
I've had MH, MH and T5, Radions, and now I have my ATI hybrid.
Honestly for me and my corals the ATI Hybrid is the best. Having said that, I would love if I was able to have an LED fixture that would provide the same results and colors while producing less heat and using less power. I just am not convinced enough yet and on a 120"x36"x30" tank I feel that if I wanted to be successful with LEDs I would need 10-12 fixtures.
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ComforablyNumb
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This doesn't have me boiling at all. lol..I love talking about this stuff. What are you talking about?
And I keep going back quoting things because it was often denied they were even said or for the context in which they were said.
It doesnt really matter who you work for, I was only curious to see what type of sales or marketing you were in. So you are local manufacturers rep for German company. If I were to be interested, I would be interested in what % of your income is commission based, but not much else.
And I did answer about Bronx and the price suddenly being in aussie dollars.
You're experience is that of many who have tried LED and T5. The bigger the tank the less LED stacks up.
