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[ComforablyNumb]

This thread has gone from a good read to ****.


Let's get back on topic plz. Heaven forbid..

I've had MH, MH and T5, Radions, and now I have my ATI hybrid.

Honestly for me and my corals the ATI Hybrid is the best. Having said that, I would love if I was able to have an LED fixture that would provide the same results and colors while producing less heat and using less power. I just am not convinced enough yet and on a 120"x36"x30" tank I feel that if I wanted to be successful with LEDs I would need 10-12 fixtures.


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For a larger tank, buying any kind of decent lighting system is probably going to be expensive for sure. But you know that. After reading this thread and others, you will realize there is no real consensus on which is better for what.

They all work..it becomes more what works best for you. Thats how these threads all start...and they all end the same.

ATI hybrid is an excellent choice. You will get shimmer only from single point sources tho. If you have seen a tank lit by Kessils for instance and like the look, go single point light. But that aside, the ATI is a well accepted company for quality and performance. You wont go too far wrong with that brand for sure.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

You're experience is that of many who have tried LED and T5. The bigger the tank the less LED stacks up.

We should let him decide whats right for his tank and circumstances. He's going to anyway. That is your opinion and many disagree with it.
Its hard to go wrong with an ATI hybrid, I'd say.
48" are around $1,800 or so I think.

edit: and you may see some shimmer from the led components but they are not clustered leds so will be much less and will be somewhat washed out by the t5's anyway. Very few argue against hybrids. We may find one or two here tho ...lol

 

[Dugless]

I was thinking the same thing about getting back on topic. And then I see your addition of 'Heaven forbid' in the quote a few posts up. If I've learned anything in this thread, it's how ego and rudeness can make someone a real jerk.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

I was thinking the same thing about getting back on topic. And then I see your addition of 'Heaven forbid' in the quote a few posts up. If I've learned anything in this thread, it's how ego and rudeness can make someone a real jerk.

Jerk?? rudeness can make someone a real jerk. I guess you missed the obvious irony and contradiction within your own post. lol

And yes, I have legal training. I also hold an MBA from McGill. ( http://www.mcgill.ca/desautels/ )

Give it up. It was me asking for folks to stop calling others names, if you recall. Do I need to quote my posts to make that evident to everyone? You were rude first, I responded and you were just rude again. Give it up ..anyone can read the thread. And ego is a subjective call..and I would say yours is at least as strong as mine, but yours seems mostly unwarranted from what I have seen here out of you so far.

Let the guy get this thread back on track pls. Sheesh. I tried and then you started up again.

 

[Gweeds]

Did you mention how big the tank was? 1100 watts I assume it's a big tank.

320g, 8'3" x 26"

Will fit 3 x 2 of the '300w' (220w) Chinese boxes happily and that coverage should allow for the slightly lower par once the lenses are removed.

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[Gweeds]

This obviously has you boiling. You keep going back and re-quoting old posts trying to find some angle. Pretty funny.

There are only so many massive German companies, I'm sure you can figure it out. It's not an automaker, but most certainly one of their suppliers.

Edit- you still didn't answer my question about Bronx and his pricing skullduggery.

Oooh.. I like a guessing game! Is it Bosch?

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[Bronx19]

For a larger tank, buying any kind of decent lighting system is probably going to be expensive for sure. But you know that. After reading this thread and others, you will realize there is no real consensus on which is better for what.

There is no getting away from the fact that lighting a 4x3 with LED will cost much more than T5.

Some might not agree, but some are wrong.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

Give it up. Its over...as far as I am concerned anyway.
Troll away at me all you want. I will not respond to any more of your crapp.
You and your BS are a waste of time...

 

[Bronx19]

Give it up. Its over...as far as I am concerned anyway.
Troll away at me all you want. I will not respond to any more of your crapp.
You and your BS are a waste of time...

LED covers 1.5 x 1.5 ft, a 2ft T5 covers 3x2ft, for less. Divide 12 square ft by each and hey presto, the man was right, LED would cost a tonne more.

Give it up. It was me asking for folks to stop calling others names, if you recall.

Oh.

 

[Fredfish]

This thread has gone from a good read to ****.


Let's get back on topic plz.

I've had MH, MH and T5, Radions, and now I have my ATI hybrid.

Honestly for me and my corals the ATI Hybrid is the best. Having said that, I would love if I was able to have an LED fixture that would provide the same results and colors while producing less heat and using less power. I just am not convinced enough yet and on a 120"x36"x30" tank I feel that if I wanted to be successful with LEDs I would need 10-12 fixtures.


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Lani LEDs do this. You might not like the price though.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

LED covers 1.5 x 1.5 ft, a 2ft T5 covers 3x2ft, for less. Divide 12 square ft by each and hey presto, the man was right, LED would cost a tonne more.

Your whole premise is incorrect. My Kessils cover 2' x 2'

And the Kessil AP700 covers 4' x 2' easily.

 

[Ron Reefman]

My Reef Breeders Photon V2 covers 5'x2'. And it costs less than one Radion or AI that cover 2'x2'.

 

[Bronx19]

Your whole premise is incorrect. My Kessils cover 2' x 2'

And the Kessil AP700 covers 4' x 2' easily.

Oh really, you're Kessils cover exactly what the manufacturer states? Thats convenient. Everyone knows they do not in practice.

And the AP700 is stated as having 36" coverage for SPS, as per Kessil.

http://kessil.com/aquarium/Saltwater_AP700.php

Again, it wont do that either.

For someone who is a marketing guru, you are being naive.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

Yes, thats what the manufacturer says. And thats what it does..quite well.
Are you going to tell Ron he is full of it too? lol

 

[ComforablyNumb]

One of the nicest tanks I've seen recently locally was a standard 90gal.
Lit entirely by one AP700. I dont care what you say, I saw his tank and it was beautiful. I dont have any pics of his, so you'll have to take my lying word for it, it was an impressive tank.
Not everyone wants to keep stony slabs of acro's...and as I stated earlier, I find them boring in appearance. I think many people value them only because they are the most difficult..not because of their movement, growth or structure.

So are you going to criticize me for not liking acro's that much? lmao

 

[Bronx19]

Yes, thats what the manufacturer says. And thats what it does..quite well.
Are you going to tell Ron he is full of it too? lol

Ron is using a panel LED that may be up to 48" long. We're talking about your puck LED and AP700 which is only 20" long. And this 'coverage' still does not negate the issue of shading from top-down point source light

So are you going to criticize me for not liking acro's that much? lmao

This whole thread is about SPS. You can attempt to move the goal posts all you like, it aint adding up.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

This whole thread is about SPS. You can attempt to move the goal posts all you like, it aint adding up.

Acro's are SPS, so are stylo's as far as I know. So what goal posts got moved pls?

You missed the whole point anway.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

Join the mh/t5 revolution..its the wave of the future. lol

 

[Bronx19]

Acro's are SPS, so are stylo's as far as I know. So what goal posts got moved pls?

You missed the whole point anway.

I know what SPS is, I don't know why you're telling us you don't like them.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

I like sps, not slab acro's. To each his own.