LOL, same old question, different days.

[Pinkskunk]

is any of these 3 a gig?

i suspect the left-most (smallest) is a gig.the other 2 are haddoni. whatis your best guess?

 

[justinky]

is any of these 3 a gig?

i suspect the left-most (smallest) is a gig.the other 2 are haddoni. whatis your best guess?

Color is washed out from blue, cannot see their foot and without that you will not get a definitive answer.

I will say the middle is 100% haddoni, the other two 'could' be gigs.

 

[addictedreefer]

I believe the nems on the left and right are gigs. The center is likely a haddoni. Would need to see feet for confident ID.

 

[JasonD]

I believe the nems on the left and right are gigs. The center is likely a haddoni. Would need to see feet for confident ID.

This!

 

[D-Nak]

I don't see any defining characteristics of either. What do you guys see in the center one to guess it's a haddoni? What am I missing???

 

[addictedreefer]

I don't see any defining characteristics of either. What do you guys see in the center one to guess it's a haddoni? What am I missing???

I know it sounds ridiculous, but I've seen enough of these things that I can typically tell just at first glance. Factors in play here are tentacle spacing (you can see the haddoni's are more closely packed than the suspected gigs), tentacle length (the haddoni's are stubbier), fold patterns (the suspected gigs have deeper, more pronounced folds), mouth color (the haddoni has a deeper reddish rim around its mouth - I've never observed that on a gig), and overall color (haddoni blue is essentially solid blue throughout - even the bluest gigs are tan at the base of the oral disk and tentacles, with blue tips). Although I cannot be 100% positive on ID without seeing the feet and stressed/acclimating gigs and haddonis can be deceptive, the above factors make me fairly confident here.

 

[justinky]

I don't see any defining characteristics of either. What do you guys see in the center one to guess it's a haddoni? What am I missing???

The center has a very tight and small tentacles which just by taking one quick look at it, I can tell without a foot shot is Haddoni. The other two have fat look to be stubby tentacles(some gigs are like this until their tentacles get longer again, we are not sure why they do this; stress?), little more spread out then the center Haddoni, like we always say you can't go by only tentacles but this is why I say they could be gigs.

 

[Pinkskunk]

yes i agree with everything you said. The biggest one on the right has alot of folds so it resemble a haddoni that's why i am not so sure about its ID but the left one is likely a gig. the middle (blue) is a given.

i will ask him to take a picture with FLASH. dealing with someone that's very busy and ask for this and that can be frustrating to him and myself sometime but then gig keepers like us are persistant and very patience

I know it sounds ridiculous, but I've seen enough of these things that I can typically tell just at first glance. Factors in play here are tentacle spacing (you can see the haddoni's are more closely packed than the suspected gigs), tentacle length (the haddoni's are stubbier), fold patterns (the suspected gigs have deeper, more pronounced folds), mouth color (the haddoni has a deeper reddish rim around its mouth - I've never observed that on a gig), and overall color (haddoni blue is essentially solid blue throughout - even the bluest gigs are tan at the base of the oral disk and tentacles, with blue tips). Although I cannot be 100% positive on ID without seeing the feet and stressed/acclimating gigs and haddonis can be deceptive, the above factors make me fairly confident here.

 

[D-Nak]

I completely agree with you guys -- I can typically tell at first glance -- call it a gut reaction. But in this case I cannot. The problem here is that all of the nems are acclimating/sick/stressed as mentioned. All of the criteria listed can be disregarded when gigs and haddoni are sick. Spacing of the tentacles changes depending on how sick the nem is. Many times we see balding in the center of the oral disk in both species. Haddoni can have deep folds like a gig, especially when confined in a tight space. Blue gigs that are sick take on a pastel blue color, because a lot of times the zoox is either dead or dying. In the photo we can't see the tan we typically would see because it doesn't show up under blue light. In terms of lipstick, If I could see red, then I would assume it's a haddoni because I've never seen a gig with red lipstick.

I do tend to agree that the center one could be a haddoni, but I can't say with 100% certainty.

I'm totally on the fence on this one! I can see them all being gigs or all being haddoni. For example, it could be that the nem on the left is showing white areas, which I see a lot on haddoni that are stressed. Once acclimated, these white areas tend to go away.

Can we pleeeease see a photo of the three under natural light, and a shot of the columns???

 

[Pinkskunk]

lol i wish i can get him to do that. i simply gave up trying to ask him and also i dont want to end up with a haddoni and not the color i wanted. its just not worth it and i am not desperate.