lympho vs brook (pyramid butterfly)

avandss

avandss

I'm hooked
with all the bad luck i am having with my qt tanks this time, this was expected!

i have 3 butterfly pyramids that i got 2 months ago, initially they had some fin rot so i did the regular prazi copper and finished with NITROFURACIN green, when i was doing the nitrofuracin green they started showing little lumps on there sides, after much reserch it looked like lympho.

i decided to keep them under observation, removed all meds and fed 3x daily 3-4 different types of food from mysis to flakes, all with garlic or selcon additives.

now they are not breathing heavily, very active and eat like champs, actually they act as if nothing was wrong, however its not getting better and i am starting to wonder if they somehow got brook from its neighboured qt that had a confirmed case of brook....



the tank on the right had brook...


here is what they look like








 
I don't think that's Lympho. It's a "mystery disease" I once saw on a PBT in a thread on here. Let me see if I can find the thread.
 
HumbleFish said:
I don't think that's Lympho. It's a "mystery disease" I once saw on a PBT in a thread on here. Let me see if I can find the thread.
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that is very interesting.

i hope you can find it! i have searched the disease forum non stop for anything that could help id this
 
I don't have anything to add except that I think you need to find a new source for livestock! Sorry for all of your troubles. :(
 
I'm with Humblefish on this one lympho typically is less white bumps and should develop much slower than that. Also that might be the worse case I have seen outside of disease books. Are you treating with copper?
 
I'm pretty sure I've seen threads of fish with raised white bumps like the ones on your butterfly. I don't think anyone ever figured out what it was. I can't remember if the fish died or eventually made a recovery. I do sort of remember someone suggesting it might be a "side effect" of copper treatment.

I have successfully treated fish with erythromycin for spots like those around the fins & spines (these weren't Lympho). But they never spread onto the body. You might wanna give API EM Erythromycin a shot, if no one comes up with a better solution.
 
I got nothing ..... never seen anything like it. Any fish I've ever had with lympho is was contained to just the fins. Perhaps running them through a round of CP?
 
Deinonych said:
I don't have anything to add except that I think you need to find a new source for livestock! Sorry for all of your troubles. :(
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tell me about it, we do not have access to any online retailer like LA here, you should see the condition of some of the lfs i walk in.... dead fish... ich... velvet

it drives me nuts. the only clean lfs that i know does not have a wide selection.

:thumbdown
 
ca1ore said:
I got nothing ..... never seen anything like it. Any fish I've ever had with lympho is was contained to just the fins. Perhaps running them through a round of CP?
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did you run copper with your butterflies? i am wondering if it had anything to do with it

at this point i might try formalin. but i am fed up i need to clear my qt, i have not been able to add a single fish to my dt in two and a half months due to disease, and i have 3 qt tanks!!!!!

they might be ..... tomorrow.

lesson learned, not to many fish at once in qt. dont mix species, and dont mix lfs fish....

my healthy naso is paying the price because i qt him with a hippo i got from a shady lfs and he turned out to have brook....
 
My pyramids are in CP right now and have been for the past 17 days. I asked about copper because I caused lympho in my emperor with copper. Stuff looks like lympho but it is all over the pyramid
 
Does it look anything like what my pyramids have?
I am starting to think it was the copper, the mouth pimple started during copper

I think I will euthanize them today.
Unless I can really id this disease

For my next batch I will probably do tt and prazi hoping they dont have velvet or brook
 
Why are you going to euthanize? Are they still eating and breathing ok? If they are not in distress I would continue to feed well (vitamins, etc), keep water pristine and observe. Perhaps this is a reaction to copper...butterflies are known for being copper sensitive.
 
Because it is getting worst, and it really got bad after 15 days of copper during my nitro treatment.

I am feeding them 3 times a day.

If it is due to copper treatment, can it get better over time?

Other question, can we rule out brook?
 
Newsmyrna80 said:
Why are you going to euthanize? Are they still eating and breathing ok? If they are not in distress I would continue to feed well (vitamins, etc), keep water pristine and observe. Perhaps this is a reaction to copper...butterflies are known for being copper sensitive.
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+1 No need to euthanize unless the fish is in distress. If nothing else, at least give his natural immune system a chance to fight off whatever this is.
 
avandss said:
tell me about it, we do not have access to any online retailer like LA here, you should see the condition of some of the lfs i walk in.... dead fish... ich... velvet

it drives me nuts. the only clean lfs that i know does not have a wide selection.

:thumbdown
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That's unfortunate. Can the "clean" LFS do special orders? Might be worth it if you can pick up the fish before they go into the LFS's tanks. If they can order from Quality Marine, even better.
 
I spoke with someone at LA about this in my heniochus a long time ago.
They said copper and formalin but was vague about how to do so.

I would do tank transfer with copper. Then do a formalin dip between transfers.

Transfers would be between two 10 gallon tanks. It shouldn't be too much work.
 
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