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Not really having to much fun, hearing lots of complaints. The hotel is not the best and the manager said he has been overwhelmed with complaints. We have 2 rooms that are connected since I have my in laws with me and 2 children under 1 year. The rooms are tiny, carpet is 3-4 different colors, furniture is stained, scratched, and falling apart. He did give us $60 for use at breakfast and brought our children milk and cookies. Glad he did, since 4 of us, Breakfast was $135 in the hotel lobby. I went to the cocktail party last night, stayed about 20 mins, no where to sit, since it was a standing party, and the hot topic of conversation was how people are not happy. The raffle is not very thrilling. I cant believe it is a $5 raffle ticket for a bucket of $40 salt. Just seems like everything here is money money money, nickle and dime you to death. We are trying to save our hobby, save our reefs, and also trying to reduce the cost on the hobbyist. The trade show seems to be small, i dont know if it is the footprint, but there is not nearly the amount of vendors as previous years. I am guessing the economy has even hit out hobby as well. I have been going to MACNA events now for 5 years. I have to say me and my wife are disappointed with this years and we just hope that next year in Atlantic City, NJ it will be better.

On a side note, tickets for next years MACNA are $89 right now and for this weekend only. Starting Monday, the tickets will jump to $129.

Ken
SMMAS VP
 
I thought the raffle was great. Vortech pumps, solaris lighting systems, full solona systems, not to mention the vacations. Dude its the Westin not the Ritz. Don't be such a negative nancy. A lot of people worked really hard to make the event happen and a lot of valuable information was available at your finger tips. You complain about not being able to find a seat at a standing party? Maybe you should check your pacemaker if you can't stand up for more than twenty minutes at a party.

You've been served.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13300549#post13300549 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kjord97
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On a side note, tickets for next years MACNA are $89 right now and for this weekend only. Starting Monday, the tickets will jump to $129.

Thanks for the plug! I just wanted to point out that we will be honoring the $89 price for MACNA XXI until 10/31/08. As of the 1st of November it will jump up to $129.

John
MACNA XXI - Marketing
 
akopley, I happen to agree with kjord97. His complaints seem to be the general consensus, even among many vendors. Was this your first Macna, akopley ? By the way "you've been served." thats a bit childish wouldn't you say.
 
I’m sitting here at the Atlanta airport waiting for a flight out of town after MACNA XX. Figured I’d take some time on the laptop. Sorry I didn’t post any pics or such so far from MACNA but there were some connection concerns. (I finished this at home on Monday)

Probably the best I can say about THIS conference is that it was quite mediocre at best. Please don’t get me wrong, I have no “hidden agenda” as per a prior posting by someone who I’ve never communicated with. I guess I just attract attention whenever I post anything regarding this meeting. Don’t get me wrong, the vendors/exhibitors were as great as ever. They were very attentive to the attendees. Some of them just had smaller booths, but interesting. In speaking with many of the vendors especially some of whom I know and some that just volunteered their opinions, the VAST majority were quite upset with the treatment they received preparing for this conference. It seemed that there was little communication of a positive nature with those setting this up. I was told that there were numerous upcharges required as well as some “requests” and demands which were made of them. They frequently used the term “p****d-off” about the staff. Other than asking how things were going I did not inquire specifically. So those are their impressions, not mine. Some of the senior staff used the terms “whinny” and “p.i.t.a.” in direct conversations with the vendors. This left a real bad impression of the conference with them. Let me stress that this was probably 10 or 12 vendors including some major ones. All of them were repeat people. These at least were not happy campers.

As far as the attendees, I met many familiar faces from other MACNAs and from other parts of the country. Almost everyone I spoke to was disappointed in the tone of the conference as put forth. Again I only asked how things were going. I found some of the speakers were quite good as is usually the case with MACNA. As one of the senior staff said during one of introductions they tried to do a mix of old and new speakers. Some of the topics were quite informative and some topics just appeared to be fillers. Pretty even there.

As for the transportation, MARTA (the public system) from the airport was great. Clean, efficient, on time and almost to the door of the hotel. The same could be said about the buses provided to the Aquarium. Excellent.

The physical facility…The Westin. It is huge to start, no doubt. The lobby (registration) is on the 5th floor. The front desk people were quite polite. The room was on the 55th floor, great view, you could request lower or upper. The room was on the smaller side but OK since I was alone. However the carpet was worn and had some embedded stains. The desk was all marked up. The faucet on the shower leaked down the wall and into a big puddle on the floor. They did come and put new washers in after I told them about it.

A big concern was the lack of signage concerning the meeting rooms the first day and a half. Even the hotel staff had no idea and the MACNA people were no where in sight. This concern was openly discussed by people in the halls trying to find their ways around. The prices in the hotel were unbelievable. You found this out when you ordered a mixed drink at the bar and landed up paying $13-$17. Surprise! The food was no better. I think most ate out. The cocktail reception was different to say the least. The room had only a few chairs and tables for those who might have needed to sit. I’m sure the speaker was good except he spoke in Japanese with a translator. It’s just that you couldn’t make out what either was saying due to the room noise. Nice pics however. Most people left after about 30 minutes it seems, during the presentation. The cash bar prices were still pretty high but that’s probably the hotel.

The Aquarium was great as always. Wonderful displays. The banquet was good and bad. They had ropes up along an about 125ft hall while they were setting up. While standing along the rope another attendee and I asked one of the senior ARC people if there was an entrance point or just a general dropping of the ropes. His reply, as he never broke stride and over his shoulder was “We’re not letting you in at all.” <pause> “You’ll just have to wait”. What happened was they dropped ALL the ropes at the same time and a mad, mad rush ensued. Literally. People were running full out to get tables. Again I’m sure the speaker was good except you couldn’t hear her due to people talking all though out. This was especially true of the RESERVED table next to me and seven friends. They could have cared less what was being presented. And we had a table next to a viewing window.

So all in all this MACNA was best mediocre with a lot of poorly run and conceived points. They may have bitten off too much. I know that some of the ARC people were curious as to who I was as they had asked around to people from Chicago. This was probably because I had said I had felt “backdoored” by the multi priced raffles and the extra workshop fees, neither of which were related during signup at MACNA XIX. And after I received a message from one of ARC’s senior people stating that the banquet was costing more than my early registration fee. Not my fault on that one. I really enjoyed seeing old friends and making some new ones. I enjoyed the exhibits and I hope the vendors will come back to the next MACNA in Atlantic City. I’ve already signed up for that. And I hope to see many new faces next year. Lets not take the hobbyist out of the hobby and make this an elitist venture.

These are my impressions and mine only. They are a result of my direct observations and direct one on one conversations. Sorry this was so long.
 
I agree with everything DaveBien had to say. The food at the aquarium was really good but I would have liked to have had a better choices besides water or paying for soda and alcohol.
 
sorry pressed the reply button.

very eloquently put, thats what I've been trying to say. Thank you davebien.
 
Nicely stated Dave. I had a positive impression upon getting there, but as the weekend wore on, so did my impression. I felt a bit fleeced after leaving the event ... but I guess some of that was expected being a big city with big city convention pricing, but some of it controllable!

I'm looking forward to MACNA XXI next year in Atlantic City!
 
Dave, I agree with you and your critique was thoughtful and well written. I also had a good impression at first just as Sara B did, but as it wore on and as my wallet got more and more drained, I dreamed of Pittsburgh. Sara didn't mention it but she had to take a cold shower in the morning as the hotel was out of hot water. Ouch! The hotel was catering to the Ulimate Fighters and not to worried about us (or so it seemed). Hoping for better in Atlantic City next year. Please do a regular raffle instead of the teared version. I didn't buy any tickets and I usually buy a lot. Odds weren't good enough for me this time and many others obviously agreed because the ballroom reserved for the raffle was quite empty compared to normal. On a positive note the Georgia Aquarium was wonderful. I couldn't hear the speaker at the banquet though...the table next to us was just way to loud.

Also, how come a domestic beer at the hotel bar was 5.35 but at the cocktail party they were 6.35? Crazy... Strip club prices but everyone was dressed, LOL! Don't fear though you could get a 6.00 bottle of water from the Starbucks in the hotel if you didn't want to drink.

Lisa
 
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those are not big city prices, those are inflated prices. Coming from the New York area I can tell you that I have never paid those prices at NY hotel ( sheraton,marriot, hilton and several others) and for your convenience you can usually find a vending machine with $1.75 water. it is usually next to the ice machine on every floor of a hotel, which by the way I could not find. That might be because of the water conservation in Georgia.
 
I lived in the ATL area for 13 years till 2 years ago and there is NO shortage of bottled water!
 
Thank you to those that support my first post. I will say, the ARC people tried there hardiest and I have heard alot of nice things, but the bad things out weighed it.

I look forward to Atlantic City, only 4 hours from the house. Dave wonderfully put, i could not agree with you better and if I had taken my time, I would of posted a little better.

Ken
SMMAS VP
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13310662#post13310662 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by akopley
I thought the raffle was great. Vortech pumps, solaris lighting systems, full solona systems, not to mention the vacations. Dude its the Westin not the Ritz. Don't be such a negative nancy. A lot of people worked really hard to make the event happen and a lot of valuable information was available at your finger tips. You complain about not being able to find a seat at a standing party? Maybe you should check your pacemaker if you can't stand up for more than twenty minutes at a party.

You've been served.

Pal...you have no clue what you're talking about. akopley hit the nail on the head. I had fun butt...this one was waaaayyy off par with previous.

YOU, my friend, have been served!:rollface:
 
Folks, believe me when I say I really needed to take a second breath after I started my post. There were a few things (more of a personal nature) that happened that I didn't and won't post. I guess I wasn't the only one who experienced some problems. I did try for an unbiased review. Sometimes I'm not the most tactful guy around so I'm glad this seemed to have come off OK.

Thanks for the support and some kind words.
 
Dave you hit several nails on the head and thanks for posting.
I would say that our experience down there was 50/50. Hotel was expensive for one having half their windows boarded up (they were hit by a tornado earlier this year and repairs are still being done).
We saved some beer money by going across the street to the Peach Mart and buying 6 packs there ($8.99).
Friday nights presentation was a real let down as you could not understand or hear the speaker. I actually thought the speaker had better English than his translator but it did not matter as the PA system was poor. No chairs set up made for a short time there also.
The Sat. banquet at the aquarium was the highlight for all of the people I was with and I am glad we went.
The raffle Sunday was pretty unorganized. Started in one room and then moved to the other side of the hotel and took a while to get back set up, lots of standing around waiting glad our plane left later in the day. I also though the different priced tickets was just a way to get more money out of you. I thought that raffle items were donated to the club doing the raffle. If so then why have different priced tickets as the cost to the club is the same for every item.
All and all we had a good time and while there were some disappointing times I'm glad we made the trip.
 
My plane was at 8:45pm but since I was so "disappointed" about the tiered raffle I just went sightseeing for a bit and read a book at the airport and skipped the drawing completely. No tickets at those prices for donated prizes.

I hope Atlantic City was taking notes. (OK, I'm still cranked up, LOL)
 
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Why not one year MACNA @ a venue w/outside picnic area so everyone could just kick back, relax, talk fish and drink cheap beer ??????:eek1:
 
Chiming in a bit late in this thread...

I've been attending MACNA since 2002. It is the highlight of the year for me year after year. MACNA is about the speakers, the vendors, the raffle, and the venue.

Alcohol has no bearing on MACNA, unless someone gets drunk and does something stupid. Complaining about pricing is like complaining about taxes, gravity, or gasoline prices. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Last year spoiled many of us with free liquor and plenty of goodies at the reception and Gala. I had no reason to believe that would happen again this year.

I was very excited, as usual. When I arrived Thursday afternoon, I checked into my room. I had a roommate that arrived earlier in the day, and she told me the first room was bad, so she had us moved to the current room. The view was nice (floor 39), I could see the G.A. out my window. It seemed a bit small, but I only had to shower and sleep there. The internet connection was flakey. The room was cleaned daily, and always looked good. The coffee supplies were stocked to keep up with my demand. :) I start my day later than most, and the shower felt fine, nice and hot. Remember: none of this is controlled by the Atlanta Reef Club. That's between me and the Westin.

The check in area for MACNA was easy to find, and I got my packet quickly. I was pointed toward the vendors area, but already knew where it was since I'd been there the night before. I was surprised to hear the vendors had only daytime hours to set up their booths on Thursday, as I would expect they need every single minute because issues arise unexpectedly. When I entered the hall on Friday around 12:00 or so, everything looked right. There was no mad dash to set up booths, I didn't see anyone topping off their tanks or piles of boxes that needed to be carted off. The layout was a little different, surely because of the shape of the room. Unlike others, I didn't walk the entire thing quickly to get oriented. I just started working my way from booth to booth, talking to people I knew and didn't know.

My buddies tried to invite me to eat out a few dozen times, which is now almost a practical joke. I pay to attend MACNA to enjoy the conference, and wasting a couple of hours deciding upon a eatery, waiting for a table to hold a large group, ordering, drinks, appetizers, meal, the eventual dividing up & paying of the checks, and the walk back to the hotel - I'll pass. I can do that when I'm home. When you think about it, MACNA is about 18 hours of browse & learn time. So I refuse those pesky calls, invites, and text messages. :lol: And they all think I'm nuts and never eat.

All three days, I visited various booths and yet felt I didn't see enough or missed/overlooked something. I couldn't figure out what it was, but Hahnmeister did a great job of pointing out many things I didn't note. I figured out why, after I got home. I have everything I need for my tank, and had zero desire to bring anything home (drygoods or livestock) on the plane. So without that urge to get this or that, nor without the need to obtain better equipment for my reef, I simply didn't dig like I usually do.

This year, I missed a bunch of talks again. I don't know if I'll ever get better at that. Finding the presentation wasn't hard, but I did arrive early and had to wait a bit for it to begin. I was excited to hear Matt's presentation on baby Mandarins, and to hear Eric's talk about Bangaiis. Mission accomplished - did both.

The reception on Friday evening wasn't what most people would have wanted. When I walked in, the room was dark with a scattering of tables, and a lot of standing room. The hotel staff made the rounds with trays of food, and not once was I wishing they'd come around sooner. Like clockwork, they arrived with a tasty snack (*note: I did not say dinner), and everything offered was hot and good. The drinks were expensive, but I chose to buy a soda instead. Big deal. I was there for the people. Evan and I set up in the corner and roped in Bob Fenner, and we had a fun discussion for about 20 minutes. Due to that, I didn't hear the presentation about Japanese tanks that probably was quite interesting. The room was full of people, and there were several times when people belted out in laughter. We decided to get something to eat, and walked down the street to Metro Diner. The food was okay, but it was a little odd eating dinner while staring at strawberry jelly packets stacked before me. Oh well, I made due.

Saturday evening's Gala was what I anticipated the most. Getting into the G.A. two hours early for free was a treat. Since that was negotiated by ARC, they get :thumbsup: :thumbsup: from me. Not only did I get to revisit the beautiful Ocean Voyager exhibit, but I took 30 minutes to peruse the Titanic exhibit.

The rush of people trying to get to get tables wasn't all that surprising. In the past, people have always wanted to sit with their group, and thus they rush in to get a whole table to themselves, and hope their friends will find them. Also, in the past the dinner was for maybe 500 people, not 1100. So the rush must have felt pretty big to some. I entered with the group, and within a minute found a table with some of my friends whom had got there first. It was nice. Every chair had a packaged t-shirt on it (I'm actually wearing it right now) with GA on the back, and Instant Ocean mentioned as well. Boxes of salt mix were on every table for anyone that wanted to take some home.

The food was by Wolfgang Puck's catering service. Since I've never tried any of his food in the past, and only know his name by reputation only, I planned to eat everything offered to me. And I did. :) I had to buy a couple of drinks to go with my dinner, and for some reason I didn't get a cup of coffee at the end. Not a big deal. The presentation this year was by a woman that was associated or worked for the BBC - Blue Planet series. She showed a total of 8 clips from upcoming DVD episodes. They were short, and she gave us the back story before each one was played. It was interesting, but I think I would have preferred less clips that ran longer, rather than the short clips we actually saw. She shared a few funny personal experiences she had, which I liked. In one scene, she was caught on film acting silly when she'd discovered something during a SCUBA dive, and made sure to point it out when it ran.

Throughout the meal, the Beluga Whales and the Whale Sharks as well as the new Sting Ray were easily visible across the entire room. The Gala could not have been at a better place, in my opinion. ARC made a great decision making that happen.

Both Friday night and Saturday night, there was a party on my floor, mere rooms away. Rock Band and alcohol - fun stuff! Glad I was included in the fun until the very late night hours. Again, this was not anything planned by ARC, nor would it have been at any other MACNA.

Sunday morning approached far too quickly, and again I didn't hear any talks. I was checking out more vendor's booths that I'd not crossed yet. It was nice to find out small details, and new products. I was happy to buy a number of minor drygoods at show pricing. In the past, vendors gave away tons of minor goodies (shirts, bags, pins, pens, fish food samples, cups or cup holders, etc). This year, there may have been less freebies. I wasn't really looking for any.

I enjoyed the diversity of the booths this year. The french painter Pascal had some gorgeous SCUBA-based paintings, and the girls that started a Reefers line-of-clothing - great idea. Several booths were dedicated to a single product. One booth was barren because UPS dropped the ball and lost all of the booth materials. :(

Several booths were very well-designed. Others not as beautiful yet still functional for us hobbyists. That comes down to what the vendors choose to do, not something ARC controls.

I didn't bother with the raffle this year. If there was any drama, I never heard about it. I saw the different priced bins, but I've seen that ever since Boston, so that was no surprise. Since I didn't need anything and didn't feel like trying to gamble any cash, I ignored it. For those that won goodies, I bet none are complaining.

When it was time to check out, it was easy. The hotel was happy to hold my luggage until later in the day in a secure location. When it was time, I took the MARTA back to the airport and flew home on an earlier flight. Originally, I booked it for 8:30pm, but I really wanted to get back to my tank.

So how did MACNA do this year? Let's see:

Overall: 4 out of 5
Comfort level: 4 out of 5
Out of pocket expense: 4 out of 5
Vendors area: 4 out of 5
Talks (the ones I heard): 4 out of 5
Gala dinner & venue: 5 out of 5
Hotel: 4 out of 5

Nothing really wow'd me this year, other than the expected G.A. I knew going in I'd love it, and it continued to meet my expection. The hotel was good to me. The vendors were helpful and happy. The talks were easy to hear, but I wish the light had been out over the screen (washed it out a bit) and that the screen was 2' higher off the floor. The room was too warm, but I heard the hotel controlled that, not ARC.

I didn't have any questions, so I wasn't seeking ARC members to help me much. The rare occasions I needed to talk to one, they were within earshot in no time. Could have been coincidence - I don't know. I have no reason to complain about this conference. It was what I expected, and I had a very good time.

Food, liquor, and other outside entertainment, that is really up to each person that attends. Choose what you like to do, or stick to the program. If you blow off those extras, you can get more rest and glean more from the conference. Or be like me and just get what you can from it, and try to be judicious with your time and money. :)
 
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