managing company killing fish to earn profit off of restuarant

[soccerbum474]

So i started working at this restuarant back in June. well they have a 75g maybe 90g tank that's taken care of by a management company. and their policy is that the restaurant owns the equipment and fish but the coral is property of their company.

well over the past 4 month ive seen so many different fish in there its hard to remember how many they have really killed but ill try and put a list together.

kill list:
2 x yellow tang
1 x royal gamma
2 x purple firefish
1 x flame angel
1 x potters angel
4 x blue-green chromis
1 x engineer goby
1 3or4 stripe damsel
1 x Purple Stripe Pseudochromis
1 x sea cucumber


remember this what i could only remember since i work on the patio and its only in the months of june, july, august, and part of november.so heres the plan.. i once dated one of the grand-daughters of the owners, and i recently explained what the company is doing so if i can get a list together she'll explain what the company is doing (propagating corals in their tank for profit and also charging the restuarant for every fish THEY kill) and have them restricted to the fish on the list that i produce.

i was hoping with your guys help i could come up with a pretty good list for fish that would be hardy and that could live with the current tank mates since there is no way in hell the management company will be willing to catch them. Right now they have a spawning pair of tomato clowns and two blue damsel fish.

This Friday a yellow tang and purple firefish were found dead in the tank, i suspect the blue damsels on the purple firefish death and the tang could have died from the clowns, stress or the fact that they only feed pellet food and there's no algae in the DT tank at all.

so its roughly 75 gallons maybe more with sump and skimmer, two tomato clowns, two blue damsels, they only feed pellets once a day and the management company only comes by once a week.

any ideas?

 

[darb85]

I would highly suggest getting rid of the damsels. and theres got to be something wrong if that many fish have died. theres something else being done wrong...

 

[soccerbum474]

its not the filtration or age of the tank. its a very nice setup but the management is putting non-compatible fish is it. they had the two dwarf angels in the tank at the same time. they had the pseudochromis and royal gamma together which are both typically territorial fish, pseudochomis lost... next week royal gamma was lost to pair of blue damsels. maybe there might be something wrong with water quality but i doubt it. they have fields of xenia, mushrooms and GPS growing all over the rocks and completely covers the black overflow box. and a HUGE colt coral as their main focus and all of which are healthy and grow very fast.

 

[darb85]

its not the filtration or age of the tank. its a very nice setup but the management is putting non-compatible fish is it. they had the two dwarf angels in the tank at the same time. they had the pseudochromis and royal gamma together which are both typically territorial fish, pseudochomis lost... next week royal gamma was lost to pair of blue damsels. maybe there might be something wrong with water quality but i doubt it. they have fields of xenia, mushrooms and GPS growing all over the rocks and completely covers the black overflow box. and a HUGE colt coral as their main focus and all of which are healthy and grow very fast.

these corals will do ok with crappy water quality. in 75 gallons there is no way that territorial battles are causing these losses. are they aclimating the fish or just dumping them in?

 

[soccerbum474]

Those arent the only corals in there, they also have a large open brain that has deep colors and looks amazing. I work weekends only now that summer ended and the management company comes on tuesday so im not sure if they acclimate or anything. but its not that the fish are dying right away, the potters angel was in the tank for about 2 months until they added the flame angel which it then killed, i came back the following weekend to hear that "fish" died too and the flame had already been replaced with something else. Im not saying that the system is prefect or anything, Im just trying to help save some marine life.

i have to go into work tomorrow to request some days off for thanksgiving so hopefully ill come when the "fish guy" is there but i doubt it. if not ill see what new victims are at stake.

 

[stugray]

"GPS growing all over the rocks and completely covers the black overflow box"

I assume you meant GSP - Green Star Polyp

After I read from Anthony Calfo that GSP can be toxic if you have TOO much, I have been trying to rid my tank of it.

It's a long shot, but maybe its a toxicity problem.

Stu

 

[Rangereefer]

If the fish and Coral are the property of the management company then how are they billing the restaurant for them? When they die their loss should be the management companies loss as it is their property that is gone.

 

[aoc230]

So i started working at this restuarant back in June. well they have a 75g maybe 90g tank that's taken care of by a management company. and their policy is that the restaurant owns the equipment and fish but the coral is property of their company.

well over the past 4 month ive seen so many different fish in there its hard to remember how many they have really killed but ill try and put a list together.

kill list:
2 x yellow tang
1 x royal gamma
2 x purple firefish
1 x flame angel
1 x potters angel
4 x blue-green chromis
1 x engineer goby
1 3or4 stripe damsel
1 x Purple Stripe Pseudochromis
1 x sea cucumber


remember this what i could only remember since i work on the patio and its only in the months of june, july, august, and part of november.so heres the plan.. i once dated one of the grand-daughters of the owners, and i recently explained what the company is doing so if i can get a list together she'll explain what the company is doing (propagating corals in their tank for profit and also charging the restuarant for every fish THEY kill) and have them restricted to the fish on the list that i produce.

i was hoping with your guys help i could come up with a pretty good list for fish that would be hardy and that could live with the current tank mates since there is no way in hell the management company will be willing to catch them. Right now they have a spawning pair of tomato clowns and two blue damsel fish.

This Friday a yellow tang and purple firefish were found dead in the tank, i suspect the blue damsels on the purple firefish death and the tang could have died from the clowns, stress or the fact that they only feed pellet food and there's no algae in the DT tank at all.

so its roughly 75 gallons maybe more with sump and skimmer, two tomato clowns, two blue damsels, they only feed pellets once a day and the management company only comes by once a week.

any ideas?

get an auto feed dispense... 2-3 feedings a day not one... clowns may chase a tang away from a host anenome but i couldnt see it killing it unless there was a dramatic size difference. honestly some hobbiest should be ashamed of themselves, they simply put the life worth to a dollar sign and really could care less if 7$ fish die....

 

[GreshamH]

Wait, property management company or an Aquarium Service/Maintenance company?

Sea cucumbers aren't fish

 

[Izzone001]

SO are they killing them or are they dying?

 

[soccerbum474]

this is a company that go to businesses like restaurant, doctors offices..etc and manages their saltwater tanks.

every winter the restaurant closes for 3 weeks for cleaning. so i havent been in there in 1.5 weeks but the last time i was in there they had killed a lawnmower blenny.

my co-workers have little emotion for fish like the most of society, but after you watch a few day every week at gets very sad. after enough complaining it got back to the management company.
They're making a pair of tomato clowns there scapegoat and blaming everything on them..and the only way for THEM to catch the clowns is to re-do the tank.

I really dont care what fish or coral they blame it on at this point, as long as they re-do (aquascape and remove livestock) the tank.. ill be going by the restuarant tomorrow so ill check it out and see if any changes have been made.

im blaming it on the managing company because they stock the tank with herbivorous fish (yellow tang, lawnmower blenny) and then only feed pellets, put two dwarf angels in the same tank and add damsels (sorry damsels are newb fish, theyre down right *******s and are ugly IMO. they should have the experience to know not to put a lawnmower blenny in a tank that only has bubble algae.

 

[GreshamH]

OK so they're an Aquarium Service Company then. No one uses "management" when referring to such a service so you had me baffled

A pair of T. clowns is a a true problem. They're not exactly a non territorial and nice fish once they get of size. I've had to remove those from customers tanks due to them killing most other fish (and every new introduction). They could catch those using hook and line if they were diligent enough... done it a dozen times myself.

You can always bid to take care of the tank yourself. It's not easy dealing with others tanks, that's for sure. I just couldn't hang with how customers treated their tanks and what they expected of me so I moved on. I still help a few of them at times though as some were great customers.

 

[Walking_Target]

get an auto feed dispense... 2-3 feedings a day not one... clowns may chase a tang away from a host anenome but i couldnt see it killing it unless there was a dramatic size difference. honestly some hobbiest should be ashamed of themselves, they simply put the life worth to a dollar sign and really could care less if 7$ fish die....

Those are the very same people who write off a betta for their kid, because it's only a $5 fish... who cares if it has to lie in it's own **** for a drastically reduced lifespan?

The more I see of how people treat non-fuzzy animals, the more I think most people shouldn't be trusted with so much as a pet rock.

 

[NCSUsalt]

have you talked to the management yet? many times the customer keeps asking for more and more fish, and even when you tell them they need to remove some troublemaker fish they won't listen. "Oh no, I love those two fish, but we need more fish so bring some out next time" many people that own a tank and have someone service it for them just don't care. you'd be surprised how many people spend thousands on a tank and then just don't feed their fish or in other ways neglect it. You have to think of it this way, we see the tank usually about 50 times a year, that's it. we do the best we can to keep it right, but the other 6 days of the week we aren't there to make sure everything goes as it should.

 

[MatthewLaw]

hmm. well the restaurant should at least make some money from corals that are grown in their tank and fragged by the aquarium service company.

regarding the fish, i agree that aggression might be an issue that results in the demise of so many fish. to some extent I wonder if the tank were sick to begin with, and just could not survive. granted the sickness would have presumably spread to other inhabitants.

 

[BlueSeaDevil]

"GPS growing all over the rocks and completely covers the black overflow box"

I assume you meant GSP - Green Star Polyp

After I read from Anthony Calfo that GSP can be toxic if you have TOO much, I have been trying to rid my tank of it.

It's a long shot, but maybe its a toxicity problem.

Stu

Really .. maybe I should get rid of my newly bought GSP

 

[baldwinaquaman]

My question is who would make such a deal as to pay someone to take care of their tank, and not be responsible for the life therein? This is just not a wise decision. The service companies where I live guarantee all livestock int heir customers tank, I think this is your real problem.

 

[MatthewLaw]

why should the service company guarantee livestock in the customer's tank?
the service company puts the fish inside and does not come back for a few days or maybe longer. as we have established very few customers are super concerned with testing parameters of the water or fish/coral compatibility.

who knows what the customer does in that period of time between service intervals? if the customer is a restaurant, what if too many kids are putting their hands in the tank? or what if the customer 'forgets' to feed the fish?

 

[billsreef]

My question is who would make such a deal as to pay someone to take care of their tank, and not be responsible for the life therein?

Far too many people that view a fish tank as nothing more than just another pretty piece of room decor

who knows what the customer does in that period of time between service intervals?

You just said a mouth full. I had one customer that would overfeed to the point that there was a 1/4" layer of uneaten flake food on the sand bed, the stuff was coating the decor, incredible amounts settled in the sump and clogging the filters, and the water would be orange/red from the food dye in flakes :eek1: Impossible to make guarantees on livestock with customers like that.

 

[ConsultantERP]

Any chance the resturant was sprayed for bugs, or did they use some kind of aerasol ....fabreeze???