Mantis death: what went wrong?

ReneX

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Well, after a few months of smooth sailing, I unexpectedly lost my mantis last week and I'm still trying to figure out why. I'd like to make sure my tank is safe before adding and possibly loosing another mantis.

This is what happened:

Sunday through Monday she'd been showing all the signs of getting ready to molt, eating less, not hammering, and being unusually reclusive. Tuesday, I bought some new coral frags and added them to the tank. They were a striped mushroom, some soft neon green tree coral frags, a green mushroom in poor health, and some zoanthids. I wouldn't have gone for the mushroom but the same colony had been in the dealer tank for weeks, looking generally lousy, and I figured that maybe one of the polyps would do better in my tank since corals have a habit of bouncing back when in there. It was semi-mushy and disintegrating.

I added these to the tank and also swapped out my heater for a different one. The old heater had busted, bringing the average temp down to 74 degrees. So I thorougly washed my new heater with hot water, since it -may- have been used briefly in a treatment tank (I can't remember) and put that it.

To my great surprise the temperature spiked unexpectedly. The pilot light on the heater wasn't on but within hours it'd hit 84 degrees! I unplugged the heater and let the tank cool gradually.

Meanwhile, Crystal had done what I expected and sealed up her burrow with rubble Tuesday midday. Wednesday went by with no sign of her. So did Thursday.

Friday morning all was the same, but I came home Friday afternoon to find her burrow partially dismantled, with her corpse hanging out. I know it wasn't the current that did this and there is nothing else motile in the tank, so she must have gotten partially out before she died. Her rapts were NOT sprung, though her maxillipeds were spread (also not "sprung"), possibly due to the current. Her color was a bit pale but she otherwise looked normal; I don't know if she actually molted or not.

Because so many things changed immediately before this I'm not sure what went wrong, or if it was a combination of things. Could it have been toxins from the mushroom? Toxins from the heater? My understanding with mantis poisoning is that they show signs of distress and death rapidly, not days later, and the rapts are usually sprung. Could it have been that temperature spike? The stress of the temperature and my hands in the tank as she was getting ready to molt? Or just a bad molt?

I'm thinking and hoping it wasn't toxins, because everything else in the tank has looked wonderful through all this and the microcrustacean population has showed no signs of stress. The amphipods, copepods and isopods are even more abundant since I lost her.

What should I look for as the possible cause, and how do I know if it's safe to put another mantis in there?
 
Sudden change in water "quality"(in this case, sudden fluctuations in heat) sounds like the culprit. One thing I've noticed in almost EVERY single "unexplained/sudden mantis death" thread I've seen has had that in common. This is one reason why I keep Phil in a 30g instead of an old 12g I have- stability. (Now, mind you, that doesn't mean that mantises in a larger tank are impervious-just look at sevises thread!) From what all my (meager) research has pointed to, mantises ARE incredibly(sp?) hardy, except for SUDDEN changes-the subject is mentioned somewhere on blueboard.

Another possibility is if your zo's were too close to the hole-if his shell was soft enough the palytoxins might have been able to kill him. (Assuming it's a zoanthid species WITH palytoxins).
 
I'm mostly concerned about toxins, because if they somehow got into the tank, I'm not sure how to get it clean enough for another mantis. So I need to rule that out.

I personally suspect that the heat spike coupled with the fact that she was getting ready for a molt did her in.

As for the zoanthids, the tank is loaded with them but they never bothered her before and all the colonies are in good health.
 
You will probably never know for sure, but the temperature changes do not seem extreme enough to have caused this. I assume you have some sort of gonodactylid. Many of these species live intertidally and can experience significant shifts over a few hours. However, if molting, their tolerence is certainly lower. You said the old heater was broken. Did it leak. Metal cations from the heating element can be toxic.

Roy
 
Okay, temperature changes off the list then.

My species was a Neogonodactylus wennerae female, about 2" long. I may yet pry apart the burrow to see if she had a molt in there; it might confirm my suspicion of bad molt.

The old heater didn't leak so far as I'm aware. It died quietly and there was no sign of water having entered the tube anywhere, no condensation, cracks, etc.

To test for the elusive toxins in tank, does anyone know if putting a hitchhiker crab in the same tank for a while would work as a bioassay? I'd rather not loose another mantis since they're so hard to find.
 
Unfortunately, stomatopods are about as sensitive to various toxins as you can get. On the positive side, many of the possible organic toxins are likely to break down fairly quickly. Were it me, I would give it a couple of weeks and go ahead with another N. wennerae This species is subtidal and may be a bit more sensitive to temperature extremes, but they are still very tough animals when it comes to temperature (68 - 103 F) and salinity - but show them an organic solvent and its curtains. I've posted elsewhere a list of things that have done my animals in, but it ranges from cigarette smoke and floor wax to glass cleaners and insecticides.

Good luck.

Roy
 
Thanks...it's great reassurance to know that the chemicals will break down if they're in the tank now, and I can save the crab as feeder food.
 
Oh, and thinking back, what the questionable heater -may- have been exposed to was formalin and zinc-free malachite green, both several months ago. Can't even find trace amounts of copper in the water though, and the malachite green should have had some (I think).

I guess this is a good cautionary tail for others and a learning experience. Chemicals bad! Mantis good!
 
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