marks on copperband butterfly
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I'm wondering teh same thing, but treading cautiously. I received a suggestion that the fish might have "Hemorrhagic Septicemia" which according to (http://www.bbayaquariums.com/bacterial-diseases.html) is "The fish will have red spots or streaks on it body and fins. It can be treated with Furan-2 or E.M. Erythromycin."
The other thought is that the fish might have flukes and this is a bacterial infection from the flukes. I was thinking of doing a fresh water dip.
The other thought is that the fish might have flukes and this is a bacterial infection from the flukes. I was thinking of doing a fresh water dip.
titoav15
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Personally, if I was to take a guess, it would look like some sort of an infection to me. I had a fish (yellow tang) years back that looked similar to this. It did unfortunately pass away after some time, likely because I did not know how to treat the problem. Pascal, if I were you a fresh water dip could hurt"¦ besides, a bite could possibly get infected too.
Gary Majchrzak
Team RC
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judging from the pix this fish is already doomed.
HOWEVER... if it were mine... I would move it into a reef aquarium ASAP.
That fish should be constantly grazing for food. Check for ammonia in the QT.
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judging from the pix this fish is already doomed.
HOWEVER... if it were mine... I would move it into a reef aquarium ASAP.
That fish should be constantly grazing for food. Check for ammonia in the QT.
naprestsleep
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Cant help with what it is, but I had something similar on my CBB and lost him quiet quickly in QT,
iamwrasseman
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it looks like an internal infection or deep bruise which ever you want to call it and its not often they come back after such an injury especially in QT .
best wishes
best wishes
the infection got worse overnight and he passed away. Part of me wonders if I could have done more, part of me says this is why we should QT.
I did a Post-mortem fresh water dip and no signs of flukes.
questions:
(1) the other fish are all doing well - do additional precautions need to be take with these? the original QT period is near an end
(2) with the new picture below can someone better ID what has happened?
(3) would a fomulin-2 bath earlier on have helped the CBB
(4) any suggestions on how to prevent this from happening?
here is a better picture:
I did a Post-mortem fresh water dip and no signs of flukes.
questions:
(1) the other fish are all doing well - do additional precautions need to be take with these? the original QT period is near an end
(2) with the new picture below can someone better ID what has happened?
(3) would a fomulin-2 bath earlier on have helped the CBB
(4) any suggestions on how to prevent this from happening?
here is a better picture:
I'm going to rethink CBB and QTing before another is purchased. The Ammonia level was good. QT has correct dose of ammo-lock in it.
Gary Majchrzak
Team RC
Pascal, what to look for in a future CBB purchase:
find one at a LFS that's inquisitive and eating. No flashing and especially no bent beak. This is going to sound odd, but from that first pic you posted I knew that fish wasn't long for this world. If you know CBB's you can see it in that fish's eyes. I'm not kidding. Literally. In it's EYES.
Similar to what titoav15 posted, I've seen this problem in Yellow Tangs. I have had success placing such fish in a reef aquarium ASAP.. but your CBB was already past the point of recovery.
find one at a LFS that's inquisitive and eating. No flashing and especially no bent beak. This is going to sound odd, but from that first pic you posted I knew that fish wasn't long for this world. If you know CBB's you can see it in that fish's eyes. I'm not kidding. Literally. In it's EYES.
Similar to what titoav15 posted, I've seen this problem in Yellow Tangs. I have had success placing such fish in a reef aquarium ASAP.. but your CBB was already past the point of recovery.
DEEP BLUE SIX
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Really sorry to hear about that man.
Looks like some kind of external/internal infection for sure. Once acclimated and feeding well in the right tank(not bullied etc), these fish can become very hardy. But extremely sensitive in general- they are. Not sure what caused this originally (what/when specifically) But once it had it, don't really think there was anything you could do unfortunately. (Treatments may have been effective on certain fish) But the CBB once compromised like that with it's sensitivities, was most likely going to die.
Very sorry. Things happen. Feel better and just try again soon with a new one.
I had one. It was a great fish and model citizen in my 125 like 3 years ago or so. Before I sold that set up before I moved. I gave mine to puter the zoo tank guy. Wonder if he's still around?
Looks like some kind of external/internal infection for sure. Once acclimated and feeding well in the right tank(not bullied etc), these fish can become very hardy. But extremely sensitive in general- they are. Not sure what caused this originally (what/when specifically) But once it had it, don't really think there was anything you could do unfortunately. (Treatments may have been effective on certain fish) But the CBB once compromised like that with it's sensitivities, was most likely going to die.
Very sorry. Things happen. Feel better and just try again soon with a new one.
I had one. It was a great fish and model citizen in my 125 like 3 years ago or so. Before I sold that set up before I moved. I gave mine to puter the zoo tank guy. Wonder if he's still around?
iamwrasseman
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i would suggest that you get your specimines from a reputable LFS to start with and be sure they are eating well along with the above mentioned "look" .
Last week I had a yellow tang start to breathe heavily in qt. It was in a well cycled ,ammonia free qt tank with other fish, having been through tank transfer. None ofteh other fish had or have any symptoms of anything.
Initially , I treated for flukes with a fromalin bath and prazi pro .No relief,.
The fish was swimming head up toward the surface and lumbering, dorsal fin withdrawn . Then went to the bottom and over on one side;figured it was going to die.
I kept observing and noticed small red splotches along the juncture of the dorsal fin and the body and a few other spots. Hard to see but since the fish was isolated in a bare ten gallon at this point and since it's yellow , I was able to see the splotches.
I settled on a bacterial infection, gill disease, or hemorhagic septicemia . Blood borne bacterial infection. Don't think therer is any risk of contagion to other fish but I'm not sure o fthat.
Alternatively, I was thinking osmotic hemorahging but acclimation was solid and there was no way to treat that anyway.
Unforunately , it was the middle of the night when I had this epiphany about bacterial infection.. The fish was near death so I rummaged around and fortunately had some Furan 2 on hand but the expiry date was over a year past due. I also had API TRISulfa another braod based bacterial med which had expired in Nov of 2011, close enough. The fish was going to die, on it's side ,struggling to breathe , some discoloration in the face, so a somewhat stale antibiotic wasn't going to hurt.
After teh initail dose , the tang was still on it's side the next morning, still laboring to breathe , but sitll living. I reckoned,I may just have prolonged the agony. Looking more closely , I noticed the red line was gone . About six hours later to my surprise the fish righted itself. By the next day ,still underr treatment it ws eating . Five days later, it's a pig and very healthy. I'm moving it back to the large cylced qt tank today.
The lessons I learned were:
not to overlook bacterial infections'
the value of qt for observation and ease ofc apture and treatment applications,
and that bacterial meds are dynamite good when I can diagnose the problem correctly.
Sorry about your loss.
Initially , I treated for flukes with a fromalin bath and prazi pro .No relief,.
The fish was swimming head up toward the surface and lumbering, dorsal fin withdrawn . Then went to the bottom and over on one side;figured it was going to die.
I kept observing and noticed small red splotches along the juncture of the dorsal fin and the body and a few other spots. Hard to see but since the fish was isolated in a bare ten gallon at this point and since it's yellow , I was able to see the splotches.
I settled on a bacterial infection, gill disease, or hemorhagic septicemia . Blood borne bacterial infection. Don't think therer is any risk of contagion to other fish but I'm not sure o fthat.
Alternatively, I was thinking osmotic hemorahging but acclimation was solid and there was no way to treat that anyway.
Unforunately , it was the middle of the night when I had this epiphany about bacterial infection.. The fish was near death so I rummaged around and fortunately had some Furan 2 on hand but the expiry date was over a year past due. I also had API TRISulfa another braod based bacterial med which had expired in Nov of 2011, close enough. The fish was going to die, on it's side ,struggling to breathe , some discoloration in the face, so a somewhat stale antibiotic wasn't going to hurt.
After teh initail dose , the tang was still on it's side the next morning, still laboring to breathe , but sitll living. I reckoned,I may just have prolonged the agony. Looking more closely , I noticed the red line was gone . About six hours later to my surprise the fish righted itself. By the next day ,still underr treatment it ws eating . Five days later, it's a pig and very healthy. I'm moving it back to the large cylced qt tank today.
The lessons I learned were:
not to overlook bacterial infections'
the value of qt for observation and ease ofc apture and treatment applications,
and that bacterial meds are dynamite good when I can diagnose the problem correctly.
Sorry about your loss.
