MARS elections for 2007

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That 'past' could explain the lack of volunteers for this election. The way it appeared to those of us on the outside, two highly respected members of the BOD were compelled to resign.

I think more people would be inclined to run for a position if these recent events were brought to light. Without a doubt, it has cast a dark shadow on the club:(
 
I think both Justin and Mandy would make great PR officer.

Other people that would add a lot to the club by being a BOD member include: Karl (Unarce), Robert (RasBobre), Arlan (Undergrad), Rachelle (Fragmented), and Rian (Reef Rian). These members in the past have contributed greatly to the club! I am sure I am forgetting people, but those are some names that comes to mind.

Karl - no disrespect to you, but the lack of volunteers is probably due to apathy. I hate to say it, but we live in a society where a lot of people are about "me" but aren't willing to contribute back, and all they want to do is complain. I see it during election where the voter turn out is dismal. I see it at work - where people complain but no one will step up to the plate to fix things. I see it everywhere. It's not unique to just this club.

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Agreed!
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8469308#post8469308 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CaptiveReefSystems
As far as Maddness goes, the past is the past. It's time to move forward.
 
by Reefugee
the lack of volunteers is probably due to apathy.

Maybe. But these are extremely difficult positions to fill. I can only imagine how much work gets put into it. Especially if your trying to balance it with work and family.

I also don't think the 'past' events should be swept under the rug just yet.
 
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For everyone that's been running around to all the LFS's in town trying to get the dirt on the recent BOD situation, give it up. Anyone who's blabbing about it doesn't have all the facts and they're goal is to split up the club.

Rob, you should certainly know about being unfairly "ousted", right? No one on the BOD was, as you so eloquently put it, "ousted". Nor was anyone "compelled" to resign Karl. If all the "recent events are brought to light" (not just the ones you know about), especially here on R.C., it would be real ugly for everyone involved, not just the standing BOD. We've been trying to avoid that and put personal conflicts aside in an attempt to keep the club on track.

Unfortunately those with too much time on their hands insist on bringing it up over and over again. Consider your sources for information (read: rumor). I said it before, if you're getting the dirt from someone, then you're only getting half of it.

A message to the rumor mill:
Instead if sitting on your butts stirring up a bunch of crap here on the internet, I challenge you to invest that energy and a good portion of you life to volunteering for office and doing something productive for your club.

Too few people are doing all the work, and far too many are showing up with their hands out. I commend all of you who have stepped up and agreed to run for office.

Apathy is just another word for lazy.
 
MARS Elections 2007

MARS Elections 2007

I whole hearthly agree with Rich. I have been involved with SAS
leadership for many years. They also have had problems with members, but the club has moved forward. In both Clubs I have seen that most of the work is done by few dedicated members.
From time to time New leadership is good. The way MARS handles continuity is better than other ways I have seen.
I do not know what led up to the situation with current leadership at MARS. It doesn't MATTER, unless it affects the continuation of the club. Any New leadership hopefully will be informed of anything that might affect MARS in 2007 & beyond by the Current Leadership.
I encourage all members to think about running for office.
It is a good way to have "your" Vision of what MARS should be now and in the future.
Douglas Lee
 
Rich,

I understand your frustrations with club members. Even as recently as WMC, you were dumbfounded by the lack of participation.

For me, the need to know is just to help me make a personal decision of whether or not I'd like to continue to be part of the club. I do consider those two former BOD members, friends. Right or wrong, perhaps I'm just not able to put friends above the club.

Regards,

Karl
 
LOL, if there was nothing to hide, why hide it. I am sorry, But rich people are going to make judgments with only half the story because that is all the info we have. If you want people to make full judgments, then people need the full story. Just like our government, they give us half a story and citizens "ASSUME" the rest. Is it right no its not, But people do it.

And about people going around talking to LFS. I AM pretty sure the LFS store is not trying to break up the club, But to shed light onto the situation about what has happened since no one wants to open it up to the club and say what's going on.

In my opinion that is not a way to run any form of governmental group.

Also, maybe someone should post what the available positions entails and maybe that may bring more people to sign up.

ONe thing holding me back is the fact there was so much drama, I dont know what happened. Ive heard side and its only half, but what ive heard makes sense. since no one wants to put the details out. I think that is stopping alot of people

And to madness, What point did you have to bring that up again. I agree with right. SOME people cant just let it go. I dont see the point besides to poke at the hornets nest. THey left not ousted. Please get the facts straight before trying to prove a point.
 
What happened between these people was personal and none of our business. It is unfortunate that it resulted in an impact to our club but that does not mean the matter is anything for us to judge. Even if there were some kind of Congressional hearing to make all details public, would it resolve anything other than morbid curiosity? Let's move on and work to keep the club a great place to learn and share.

The roles of the elected members were available at the last meeting, we will be working to put the bylaws on our website.
 
Board Breakup

Board Breakup

To all concerned-

I have never gone out of my way to air any dirty laundry or spread "rumors", but I have not held my tongue when asked directly what happened. I don't think that RC is the proper forum for airing club problems, and this is as far as I will go here. The reason that I backed away from the issue initially was the fact that the initial response from said BOD member(s) was to bring up disbanding MARS. I certainly didn't want to push him down that threat any further, it would hurt too many innocent members.

In the middle of all of this turmoil, there is really only one innocent person. Pam Schmeiser always conducted herself with the clubs best interest at heart. Of everyone involved (me included) I can honestly say that she is the ONLY person involved that always had the clubs best interest in mind. John & Stacy Dakan of Your Reef are owed a huge apology. John has been a steadfast support of MARS for a while now, and in light of all that happened I am surprised that he still is. Brian Ward from The Coral Reef Shop also deserves an aplogy. Brian only got caught up in the mix when said BOD member went into CRS spreading more of his lies and innuendos. As small business owners, John and Brian have far more important things to do than get involved in a MARS squabble.

Please, please don't let the past stop anyone from running for one of the various BOD positions, ever. This is a great club, and a new BOD will breath renewed life into MARS.

Regards,

Marc Daniels
 
It is good to see people taking an interest in the elections.

I've already posted my thoughts on apathy, board member autonomy, public records, by-law compliance, etc. If you have specific questions feel free to ask.

FWIW - If I'm elected I will do my best to ensure that behaving like an adult on the board is thorougly enjoyable.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8474071#post8474071 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Marc Daniels
To all concerned-....

Marc Daniels


Whoops, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit!

EDIT: Marc, if you have something to say, bring it on. I hate to instigate your "ultimate plan" prematurely ;) , but if you have the sack.......
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8358666#post8358666 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thereefgeek
Saving e-mails (and PMs) is a good idea just in case there's some confusion later on down the road.....

;)
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8474071#post8474071 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Marc Daniels

Pam Schmeiser always conducted herself with the clubs best interest at heart. John & Stacy Dakan of Your Reef are owed a huge apology.

I agree Marc, Pam and John have done more for our club than anyone that I can think of.

Rich, your immature instigative behavior once again amazes me. And don't try to get me going me with a response, trg351.

-Robert
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8475241#post8475241 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RasBobre
I agree Marc, Pam and John have done more for our club than anyone that I can think of.

Robert, I'm surprised that anything amazes you my friend.

Everyone who doesn't have a financial interest, a "home based business", or any other monetary gain from what becomes of this organization (MARS), please raise your hand.

....not me, Sierra Saltwater Systems.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8475309#post8475309 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thereefgeek
Everyone who doesn't have a financial interest, a "home based business",

Educational interest, my friend.....

and yes, please click on my www. link in my profile if YOU have an interest in learning more about Sierra Saltwater Systems.

January could not come too soon.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8475353#post8475353 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RasBobre
Educational interest, my friend.....

and yes, please click on my www. link in my profile if YOU have an interest in learning more about Sierra Saltwater Systems.

Dead link. Try this one: http://sierrasaltwatersystems.blogspot.com/

or this one
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=77209

January could not come too soon.
For you and me both....


Been to the house in Carmel lately???
 
Maybe I should of used a better term then ousted,my bad. All of my info comes directly from the source or I don't comment on it.

I have to agree with Karl in saying the "past" has a lot to do with the "future" of the club. I for one know how much time and effort it takes to be a BOD member and just from the political BS I have witnessed with this "fish" club I would not want to put my time and effort into at this time.

If I'm not mistaken wasn't this club started when a bunch of adults started bickering over things that have no barring on life? I could be wrong but I remember hearing something.

And sorry Rich but if you think John donates corals to MARS just for "Financial Gain" maybe you should take the time to get to know people better before passing judgement, no pun intended
 
This thread is about moving on with the club, not going back. Can we, as a club, get past this and continue or do we just fold it up and stay home?

I think there is a lot of good that this club can still do. I know I am a better aquarist because of the knowledge shared by Pam and John and Rich.

Bickering over who knows the 'real story' from whatever source will only hurt the club and its members. Let's get back on topic please, there's work to be done.
 
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