Mazzei injectors

Joel_155

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Anyone have any experience with this type of venturi? I know that lifereef swears by them and I'm curious if anyone as added on on their skimmer. Thinking about modding my cadlights tia1150 with submersible pump outside the hourglass body and going with a bigger venturi. I found them online but wanted to see of anyone has had experience with this venturi before.
 
MTC uses mazzei injectors in their recirculating skimmers. I have one and it works very well indeed.
 
The mazzei venturi is about the oldest of the "modern skimmer" drivers. All subsequent skimmers, are merely variations utilizing a basic venturi with either needle wheels or bio-balls to break up the bubbles. The only style skimmer that does not use a form of venturi, is the counter-current (and co-current) air stone driven skimmers. The mazzei skimmers perform just as well as anything on the market today.

At the end of the day, it really does not matter how the bubbles are produced, and all styles of skimmers, providing the basic design is sound and adjusted per the manufacturer instructions (not he said, she said) provide the same performance.

For your skimmer, if you don't have the facilities for R & D, and a method for the quantitative analysis of your skimmate, (chromatography) modding the skimmer is going to be a waste of time, as you will have no means to determine whether any mods you make improve performance, or hurt performance. The manufacturers have the facilities for such development, and it is highly unlikely that the skimmer can be improved by trial and error. If you find the skimmer lacking, it is likely because it is too small for the system, (or it is just a bad design) and changing the method of air intake is not going to make the skimmer perform as a bigger skimmer, or make up for poor engineering. It just is not that simple.

In order to tweak a skimmer, you need to be able to adjust the air intake, and bubble size, independently of the water flow, and the only skimmer that can be done with is an air stone driven skimmer, that uses a discreet air pump and a discreet water pump, and interchangeable airstones (fine, course, etc.) But you still need some form of quantitative analysis to determine the affect of changes made, and foam production and skimmate color, do not say anything.
 
The manufacturers have the facilities for such development,

Do they, really? I must confess to being extremely suspicious of all these so-called innovations - none of them seem really to make all that much difference. Though, as you note, I'm likely incapable of really assessing whether an 'innovation' actually makes a difference or not given the uncontrolled environment in which I am using it. I guess I just like 'old', so a mazzei-based skimmer appeals to me :lol:
 
I'm moving my setup across the room soon, and just dusted off my old VS2-24 Lifereef skimmer.
I'm considering putting it back in service and selling the PM Bullet 2 I've been using.
 
Do they, really? I must confess to being extremely suspicious of all these so-called innovations - none of them seem really to make all that much difference. Though, as you note, I'm likely incapable of really assessing whether an 'innovation' actually makes a difference or not given the uncontrolled environment in which I am using it. I guess I just like 'old', so a mazzei-based skimmer appeals to me :lol:

I am also not sold on "innovations" either. I think I am probably being a bit magnanimous with the "manufacturers," rather than "yeah right, you bet," for a change...reality is most likely the smaller the producer, the less likely there is any R & D, and the more likely their product is "copycat/me too" see our new improved that you have to buy...very much the case with bubble plates and cone/conelike skimmers.

I guess the point I am trying to make is if "they" can't build a better mouse trap, given they have the $ behind them, why waste your money trying to build/modify to, a better mousetrap that won't be a better mousetrap, and it is very likely to be a worse mousetrap.

Most often the problem with skimmers is size, not how the air is injected, so along with a larger skimmer, money is better spent on improving the other problem areas such as recirculative flow rates, surface skimming/renewal, quality flow inside the tank rather than volume, and so on...
 
I know that it's a crap shoot in the first place however I'll have a gate valve after re plumbing my system and the injector is around $50. Not much with a little pvc and gives me a project. Worst case is I waste money and time. However if it works I'll ( hopefully ) have a skimmer that's more efficient while maintaining a smaller size.

It couldn't hurt.
 
I know that it's a crap shoot in the first place however I'll have a gate valve after re plumbing my system and the injector is around $50. Not much with a little pvc and gives me a project. Worst case is I waste money and time. However if it works I'll ( hopefully ) have a skimmer that's more efficient while maintaining a smaller size.

It couldn't hurt.

Absolutely! Part of the enjoyment, for me at least, is futzing around with this kind of stuff; even if, at the end of the day, you end up no further ahead than when you started. It's just fun to do.
 
I took it apart yesterday and the two ports on it are just a hair shy of 1 inch. It would basically take 1 inch pvc with a little sand paper. The whole thing seems pretty straightforward.
 
I know that it's a crap shoot in the first place however I'll have a gate valve after re plumbing my system and the injector is around $50. Not much with a little pvc and gives me a project. Worst case is I waste money and time. However if it works I'll ( hopefully ) have a skimmer that's more efficient while maintaining a smaller size.

It couldn't hurt.

But since there is a ratio (difficult to ascertain exactly what ratios the manufacturer used.) between the water flow, air flow, and skimmer body size, yes—fiddling with them can and quite often does hurt. The majority of suggestions for "fiddling with them" come from folks that really don't have any better idea of how to improve a skimmer than you do.

If you need a project to tinker with, try something a bit more tangible such as a remote dsb, which in the end will do you far more good. Invest that $50 that you want to throw away, on something with a proven track record. But you can fiddle with the skimmer till it breaks, if you really feel the need... ;)
 
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