baldwinaquaman
New member
Ok, sounds good to me. I guess I shouldn't start my tank thread then if wer'e going to be showing pictures. Lol
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carb850
New member
I was sort of thinking a complete different direction for this first meeting. More things about like what are we looking for out of this club, try to get realistic ideas of what size we might be able to achieve, and how to achieve said goals. Then questions such as 'do we elect officers', then if so how many, what their responsibilities include, who can vote, etc. Also we should address based upon the input of all the above how to proceed with future meetings. Locations, frequency, etc. I don't expect to get all these addressed but at least starting the dialog. Kind of like laying the foundation for the A.R.S. I have some more specific ideas on these topics but I think the specifics probably should be brought up then.
Now if my ideas for this first meeting are completely off base for what you guys are expecting then please let me know. If I'm in the minority then we can figure out what the majority is expecting. :reading:
I like the way rsuplido is thinking but Carb850's ideas are what we need at first and may take a few meetings. These things can be fun too.
"Time to lay a new foundation."
Haven't I heard that before? Sounds like Carb heard the speach and laid it on us. LOL
"Time to lay a new foundation."
Haven't I heard that before? Sounds like Carb heard the speach and laid it on us. LOL
rsuplido
Member
Yes I agree that there should be officers but since I don't think everyone can go to the meetings and vote, or at least have their say, we can have that done here at the forums. At least most of the folks here know who's who and everyone can participate.
We have more or less two weeks to talk about policies, nominate officers, and vote. It's tight but it can be done. If not, we can always move the first meet-up.
I think the topics of the first meeting should be a meet/greet and then an open forum to discuss future meetings and agendas, it should be very formal. Some people are shy and do not want to speak in front of others so I do not think asking people to speak for 5 minutes is a good idea. It would likely deter them from coming to future meetings. I've been to a few meetings in the past and they were very informal, which was nice. Table sales for corals and equipment were sometimes offered. Door prizes given away by way of raffle, etc. Some volunteered to bring food/drinks so there is a lot of things to discuss. But I think it should be a simple meet/greet and discussion of future meetings at this point and not be too complicated. Officers/officials should be a topic of discussion but like Reggie said not all can be there on that day, including myself the way things are looking. We need to decide on this forum what positions need to be up for seat and then throw some names in the hat.
Altpers0na
ARS Caesar
officers? if theres gonna be cops around, i aint comin 
coralreefer
No Pistons
Leave you stash in the car. :beer:officers? if theres gonna be cops around, i aint comin
I agree with Reggis and Curtis both on this one. Again one more thing to work out.
rsuplido
Member
FYI, I think the poll feature here in the forums is pretty private. No one can see who voted who except for RC admins, who I don't think really care about those kind of info.
Let's push this forward. Instead of making policies from scratch, maybe we can accelerate the process by asking some help from the bigger orgs. Anyone know of someone from a bigger, well-known reef organization who can furnish us a copy of their by-laws? I will try to check with Marc Levenson (melev) if he can email me theirs.
Let's push this forward. Instead of making policies from scratch, maybe we can accelerate the process by asking some help from the bigger orgs. Anyone know of someone from a bigger, well-known reef organization who can furnish us a copy of their by-laws? I will try to check with Marc Levenson (melev) if he can email me theirs.
coralreefer
No Pistons
That's part if the problem. We'd have no idea if the people voting were really ARS members.
Sounds good. CORA seems to have a good model in place.
carb850
New member
You can download a copy of C.O.R.A. from their website. I was going to have a printed copy for everyone at the meeting for discussion. 
I was contacted via PM but a member of another distant forum which had some suggestions including checking out their forum for ideas. He belonged to OMAS. I will check out what they have available when I can.
For the voting issue, it's not so much hiding who votes but potentially who is eligible to vote.
I was contacted via PM but a member of another distant forum which had some suggestions including checking out their forum for ideas. He belonged to OMAS. I will check out what they have available when I can.
For the voting issue, it's not so much hiding who votes but potentially who is eligible to vote.
Kung
Member
Maybe I am out of my mind, but isn't it all the worrying about the RULES that split our last club up? Why can't we keep it simple, agree to be a bunch of hobbyists with a common interest and like to hang out, and skip all the complications and drama? I don't really have any interest in being involved in complications and drama any more. I, personally, could give a crap who our president is and about us having by-laws. By laws don't trade frags By-laws don't offer advice. By-laws aren't why we are here.
carb850
New member
Having no 'RULES' is a possible outcome. Honestly if that is what the majority prefers to be nothing more than a group of people that meet at one anothers home's once a month and nothing else that might be the way it goes.
I have a bit bigger of a vision and quiet honestly I don't care who gets elected to office either but it is important to me to know the direction the club want's to take. If I'm going to invest time and money into something I'd like to be on board with the goals. I truly think establishing a vision early on will simplify things in the long run. If we continue with the 'no rules' approach AND if we are fortunate enough to grow then the vision could be a big issue at a later time, one that could easily split a group multiple ways. If everyone starts on the same page then I just feel it will be much smoother sailing. Then again I could be having 'delusions of grandure'. Hence why I want to bring everyone together face to face.
rsuplido
Member
Yes that's a problem.
Ok, I found it here: http://corareef.org/forum/images/documents/CORAByLaws.pdf
I think we all have the same intentions in this hobby of ours, to learn and have fun. Unfortunately, I do think we can't go far without much organization.
That's the primary reason I am suggeting on taking a look at the by-laws of other bigger orgs since the rules must have been based on their group's years of experience. I do think the by-laws makes the group more solid and believe it or not, protects it from what had happened previously. I believe that if we have something we all can follow, we could avoid the drama that might creep up in the future.
That's just my 0.2.
Kung
Member
I can't blink what I see.
We are here, this club, because we didn't want to deal with all the drama of "who's in charge", etc. I don't see any of that changing. That was some ugly crap, like the time Mary banned me from the CRV forum. Some people vented some serious rage. Those people aren't going to suddenly be willing to do as they are told. We, as a group, seem to be a rather independent group. I am in no hurry to set up a situation like that again. Already people are talking about needing secret ballots because people will hold grudges. NOTHING has even happened, yet people are digging trenches and preparing to have their noses out of joint.
I fear this.
Do I want to get to know people? YES! Do I want to be a community and be able to freely exchange everything from frags to advice? ABSOLUTELY! That's why I, and maybe I am alone but I feel better having made my case, think we should just keep things simple for a while and not get into all the rules and officers and all the non-essential stuff that seems to trip us up.
I don't mean this in any way as a personal attack. Please understand that. I just wonder what happens when various members ambitions visions for our future aren't exactly the same one? To me it seems to much easier to keep it casual and not have to deal with the ineveitable conflict.
If I am in the minority with my opinion, fine. I won't run for office and I won't get involved in the drama.
We are here, this club, because we didn't want to deal with all the drama of "who's in charge", etc. I don't see any of that changing. That was some ugly crap, like the time Mary banned me from the CRV forum. Some people vented some serious rage. Those people aren't going to suddenly be willing to do as they are told. We, as a group, seem to be a rather independent group. I am in no hurry to set up a situation like that again. Already people are talking about needing secret ballots because people will hold grudges. NOTHING has even happened, yet people are digging trenches and preparing to have their noses out of joint.
I fear this.
Do I want to get to know people? YES! Do I want to be a community and be able to freely exchange everything from frags to advice? ABSOLUTELY! That's why I, and maybe I am alone but I feel better having made my case, think we should just keep things simple for a while and not get into all the rules and officers and all the non-essential stuff that seems to trip us up.
I don't mean this in any way as a personal attack. Please understand that. I just wonder what happens when various members ambitions visions for our future aren't exactly the same one? To me it seems to much easier to keep it casual and not have to deal with the ineveitable conflict.
If I am in the minority with my opinion, fine. I won't run for office and I won't get involved in the drama.
baldwinaquaman
New member
II believe there does need to be some type of structure, otherwise, nothing will ever be planned, and this group will not grow much. I don't know what the best way to do this is but the informality of this forum alone is not enough. I think we need officials, not to say whether it may be a presidents, or a council, or both, but we needs some type of arrangement where people can plan, and things can be organized. You cannot let the mistakes of past clubs slur you away from the new one. When you fall off a bike, you have to get back on, and I believe that the people on this forum are here because they don't want to be apart of the so called club before them that really seems to be a business agenda to me. Anyhow, I don't see that happening in our club.
LtPiper
Active member
I really have to agree with Kung I think we are moving too fast to start doing the formalizing of this that and the other. I much prefer the loose unorganized aspect that we have at the moment. Yes it would be nice to put a structured formal club together but I think it's too soon for that. Lets get a few get together's under our belt and see how things mesh. Sure discussion for what our future vision is fine just don't jump the gun.
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