Metering?

t5Nitro

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I picked up Understanding Exposure by Peterson as recommended by beerguy. I have a lot more confidence in shooting now except for the fact that I don't know which metering system to use. Peterson likes to meter the blue skies on most occasions and I don't know if I should pick spot meter to meter off of a particular blue spot in the sky or use evaluative and aim at a blue area in the sky and meter that? I don't know exactly which to use.

Same with reflecting light in water. Do I want to spot meter the brightest area of the reflecting light on water or evaluative meter it? This is what I don't understand. Should I do both so I have two pictures to pick from later? I'd just assume that eats the memory card and there has to be a technique.

Thanks.
 
Do all of the above. See which ones take the pictures you like the best. There are times when evaluative is more useful, and times when spot metering is more useful (I'm still learning as far as when each is better). Yes, initially it will use more memory (which is cheap), but it's the best way for you to learn in a way that will stick.
 
I pretty much use all spot metering all of the time. While metering off the sky, your reading will vary depending how close your "spot" is to the sun. In a true "Brother blue sky" scenario, you would face away from the sun and meter off the cloudless sky.
 
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I use spot metering exclusive. What you meter off of depends a lot on the scene and what you're trying to accomplish. Usually I'll pick the brightest object in the frame and set my exposure to it. Then I'll look at the darkest portion and see if I'm still within the range of the camera.
 
Use your histogram! One of the most practical uses of non-macro "live view" is the live histogram IMO. Sometimes highlights aren't so bad. You will have to decide whether you want them or not on a case by case basis of how you want to see the photograph.
If you set the exposure and don't expect it to rapidly change, full manual mode will use the same settings shot after shot. Using the meter set your shutter speed, aperture, and ISO but not necessarily in that order.If the "correct" exposure changes rapidly I tend to lean on Av (Aperture Priority).
 
Interesting TS. While I also spot meter and rely (too much) on Av, I would have thought some of your surfing images would have been more Tv material, settting the shutter speed to 1/1000th and letting the aperature fluctuate.
 
Another thing to consider is that there isn't a single "right" way. For me, it's spot and manual. I find that I'm faster and more accurate with that method than with using Av or Tv and then fiddling with exposure compensation. Everyone's shooting style is different. Experiment and use what gives you the most predictable results.
 
I always use full manual mode for surfing pictures. I don't want my aperture fluctuating because every time it changes my exposure will be wrong. I want 1/1000th with the other two settings just there to block or intensify the light. I want the light blocked or intensified exactly the same from frame to frame to frame though. The meter is only smart enough to tell me how wrong it is. If I set the meter in the middle with 1/1000 Tv, many of shots would be dramatically underexposed and throw-aways.

The light isn't changing.
The aperture and shutter speed requirements aren't changing.
Should I A) set exactly what I want and leave it or B) let the camera pick a random value depending on where my "spot" is every time I press my finger down?

A) Manual
B) Av or Tv
 
I hear your reasons for choosing A. Full manual is going to give you the consistency of exposure between shots once you've dialed in the right settings.
 
Now if the light is dramatically changing from frame to frame, faster than I could possibly keep up with it, I would pick Av and keep a finger on the exposure compensation wheel. If the light doesn't change neither will my settings.
 
Well, I tried today to get a pic of my dog outside just to try it out for the "dusky blue sky" and it wasn't even that dark out. I metered off of the sky and with f/4.0 and ISO at 800, it told me to use 1/400 seconds. So I switched into manual mode and put the shutter speed to 1/400. I then recomposed to take the image and obviously the sky was really nice looking as it was metered to it but the dog and ground were really dark.

I guess this is what I am not understanding about metering. Metering off of the sky usually makes faster shutter speeds and leaves other areas of my image underexposed.

How do I get around that?
 
What you have to keep in mind is that while your eye can see anywhere from 12-16 stops of light, your camera has a range of about 6. In the example that you mentioned, there was more range in the scene than your camera could capture. You have a few choices at that point. You can adjust so that whatever is important is well exposed; either losing highlight or shadow detail or you can take more than one exposure and blend the two.
 
I knew the eye detected more light. So basically the camera doesn't pick up that lower light very well?

So it really is impossible to get a correct exposure for a whole image if the sky is bright and the ground area is dark. Pretty much HDR the images...
 
It's not that the camera can't pick up low light, it's that it can only work within a specific range of light and still capture detail. Stuff outside of that range gets rendered either black or white. A major part of learning to take good pictures is learning to recognize that and exploit it.

Back to my first post:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15501596#post15501596 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by beerguy
Usually I'll pick the brightest object in the frame and set my exposure to it. Then I'll look at the darkest portion and see if I'm still within the range of the camera.

Looking at my meter, I know that anything that shows up as +2 will be rendered white with little or no detail. Anything that shows up as -2 will show up as black with little or no detail. In the scene that you described I'd probably also start by metering the sky and set the camera to it. Then I'd meter on the dog. If metering on the dog tells me that the dog is going to be too dark I have a few options.

1. Recompose the shot to eliminate the sky. If you've got something in the frame that's hotter than the rest of the scene, the simplest thing to do is eliminate it.

Example:
http://www.binaryemulsion.com/wordpress/2009/06/22/rock-creek-aspen/
The sky in this shot was bright, boring and at least 3 stops hotter than the scene. I wanted the image of the aspen so I just excluded the problem.

2. Make an artistic decision as to what is important to me in the shot. If the dog is the subject then I should set my camera to expose the dog rather than the sky. In that case you'd need to accept that your sky is going to blow out. Likewise, sometimes it makes sense to allow some of the frame to go black.

Example:
http://www.binaryemulsion.com/wordpress/2009/07/11/simple-is-good/
Here I could clearly see detail in both the tree and the foreground but the image is clearly about the color in the sky, not the foreground.


3. Use split neutral density filters to bring down part of the scene. This doesn't always work as not every scene lends itself to this technique. I use split grads A LOT. If you were to run into me out shooting, I'd have at least 4 different ones in my vest pockets.

Example:
http://www.binaryemulsion.com/wordpress/2009/08/11/missing-yosemite/
The sky in the background was a full 3 stops hotter than then it needed to be to match the foreground exposure.

4. Take two exposures, one for the highlights and one for the shadows and blend them in Photoshop. This isn't the same as HDR. It can also be done by processing your RAW image twice and combining the two. I load both as layers and then use a luminosity mask to blend the images.

Example:
http://www.binaryemulsion.com/wordpress/2009/05/15/image-honesty/
This is what the scene looked like to the naked eye but there's about a 5 stop difference between the moon and the foreground. I recognized that, while shooting, and took two exposures back to back at different shutter speeds knowing that I'd have to combine them.

5. HDR software. The best results here are with at least 3 images, sometimes much more than that, taken at different shutter speeds to expose the whole range of the scene. There are lots of problems with this approach. If anything is moving in the scene it'll be very hard to produce a sharp image. Folks also tend to really overdo the adjustments and end up with a garish image. More often than not, they use HDR to take an otherwise boring and poor photograph and make it look "neat." I'm not saying that it's impossible to create realistic HDR images, it's just that most people don't, mainly because it's a much steeper learning curve than just making it look "neat."

Don't look at it as a limitation. Learn to recognize what your camera can or can't do and they leverage that knowledge into producing a good photograph.

Cheers
 
Actually there is one more option that works really well for landscape shooting: come back when the light is right.
 
If metering on the dog tells me that the dog is going to be too dark I have a few options.

Doug summed it up pretty well but believe it or not, he left out a couple of options...

a) Use fill flash

b) Use a reflector to reflect some natural light back on the subject


Obviously those are not techniques used too often in landscape work, but if you're taking a picture of your dog it's a different situation. When shooting portraits (dogs included) you have two light sources to contend with - ambient and the subject. By using a flash or reflector you're able to lower the dynamic range in the scene by increasing the light on your subject. With less dynamic range to work with you can manage the blown or underexposed areas better. All of this goes a little beyond metering, but really the question should be not what/how to meter but what combination of techniques do you need to produce the exposure you want. Flashes and reflectors can also be used to supplement ambient light on the background, or to increase overall dynamic range. How you control the light is part of your artistic process.

Landscapers, sports shooters, portrait shooters, bird guys... and so on, each have a wealth of information to make second nature to them. I tried doing a little landscape work and realized I have a lot to learn coming from portraiture background.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15519023#post15519023 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jacob D
Doug summed it up pretty well but believe it or not, he left out a couple of options...

a) Use fill flash

b) Use a reflector to reflect some natural light back on the subject


Obviously those are not techniques used too often in landscape work, but if you're taking a picture of your dog it's a different situation. When shooting portraits (dogs included) you have two light sources to contend with - ambient the subject. By using a flash or reflector you're able to lower the dynamic range in the scene by increasing the light on your subject. With less dynamic range to work with you can manage the blown or underexposed areas better. All of this goes a little beyond metering, but really the question should be not what/how to meter but what combination of techniques do you need to produce the exposure you want. Flashes and reflectors can also be used to supplement ambient light on the background, or to increase overall dynamic range. How you control the light is part of your artistic process.

Landscapers, sports shooters, portrait shooters, bird guys... and so on, each have a wealth of information to make second nature to them. I tried doing a little landscape work and realized I have a lot to learn coming from portraiture background.


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