Minh's Blue LA Gigantea 6/26/2014

That's a real shame, I really hope you'll be able to make them recover.

So you think the blue essentially infected the purple as soon as you placed it into DT? Were they close to each other?
 
Minh,

I may have missed it or you may be updating your other thread and I haven't followed it, what are you treating with this time and are you going to do a full documented treatment?
 
Yes I will continue to update.
Did not treat the two separately since I only have 1 light. I will treat them both in the same tank. I have change the antibiotic to Cipro at 500 mg per 10 gal since this AM. Chang e water twice yesterday and twice today. Both seem to be better, but not well.

Picture this PM

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That's a real shame, I really hope you'll be able to make them recover.

So you think the blue essentially infected the purple as soon as you placed it into DT? Were they close to each other?
Yes they are very close together. I got so many anemones in that tank, It is hard to find the room, and keep them from killing corals. I got to rethink this tank. I think I will remove the Magnifica. Just the carpet and limited to 3 Haddoni and 3 Gigantea.
 
Yes they are very close together. I got so many anemones in that tank, It is hard to find the room, and keep them from killing corals. I got to rethink this tank. I think I will remove the Magnifica. Just the carpet and limited to 3 Haddoni and 3 Gigantea.

Minh, pick up a few of these:



I love em! Get the 425's.

Also, I've noticed that when I get sick Nems out in 6-12 hours, the rest rarely get sick. If I wait 24-48 hours, it's too late (most of the time).

Also, I've been seeing how long I can push WC's with Gigantea's in HT. They typically start to droop in 2-3 days. By 3-4 days they're half the size.

Changing the water every 24 hours is vital. IMO it's as important as dosing meds. You should have great results changing the water BID Minh.

Ohh, if you need a cheap light that works, get a Utility Tech LED Par20,30, or 38. Both the lights and cheap clamp fixture ($5) are at Lowe's. I usually take the hood off, and just suspend the Ceramic socket over the water 6-24" and it's done well for Haddoni, Gigantea, and Magnifica.

Good luck brother. Keep us updated.
 
Thanks everybody. Here are pictures from this AM. I think they both doing better

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Yesterday, I did not change the water in AM because they both look OK in AM. That was a mistake because the blue was deflated and the water was clowdy in the afternoon when I got home. They inflated after the water change. I was using Ciprofloxacin at the time. I decided to use both antibiotic last night and this AM. This morning, bot seem OK, not as good as u\yesterday AM but a lot better than last night.
Will continuw with Twice a day water change and add antibiotic with each water change. Using a lot of salt here in Corpus Christi.
 
Yesterday, I did not change the water in AM because they both look OK in AM. That was a mistake because the blue was deflated and the water was clowdy in the afternoon when I got home. They inflated after the water change. I was using Ciprofloxacin at the time. I decided to use both antibiotic last night and this AM. This morning, bot seem OK, not as good as u\yesterday AM but a lot better than last night.
Will continuw with Twice a day water change and add antibiotic with each water change. Using a lot of salt here in Corpus Christi.

So just to be clear, you are now using both cipro and septra combined at each water change and you are changing twice a day, correct?
 
Yes. That is what I do right now. change 100% of the water twice a day. Add both Cipro 500 mg and Trim/sulfa 160/800 mg each tiem I change the water.

I don't think my blue will make it but my purple seem to hold his own. I will try to separate the two later today or tomorrow especially if the Blue do not continue to improve.
 
Damn, that's not good news, I'm really sorry. You're still within the DD warranty period right? I really hope that out of this batch of 3 that you guys got, at least one makes it.
 
I am not going to try to have a refund. I don't think it is fair to them. Obviously he was doing great, going out of town is what cause the problem for me. Rush thing too quick and just not complete the treatment course. What fair is fair, IMO. The anemone did not do well becasue of me, not LA.
 
I am not going to try to have a refund. I don't think it is fair to them. Obviously he was doing great, going out of town is what cause the problem for me. Rush thing too quick and just not complete the treatment course. What fair is fair, IMO. The anemone did not do well becasue of me, not LA.


I disagree.
Didn't they list them all as healthy, eating, and include a 14 day guarantee?
But from the beginning none of them were healthy or eating like the ad said.

If we did nothing at all, they would all likely be dead now....
You worked hard at saving it.
 
They need to improve quickly. If they don't improve quickly then they will not make it. They won't stay the same. Sometime we are bias in our evaluation, always want to be optimistic and not honest in our interpretation of what we see.
Mine get better then deflated, then improved but not to the point he was before the deflation. This is what I often see in my unsucessful cases.
 
I disagree.
Didn't they list them all as healthy, eating, and include a 14 day guarantee?
But from the beginning none of them were healthy or eating like the ad said.

If we did nothing at all, they would all likely be dead now....
You worked hard at saving it.

I completely agree with this. It's extremely rare these days to purchase a gig and not have to treat it in order for it to survive. We just know from experience that treating with antibiotics is the best course of action.

That said, on a side note, I really think we need to go back to the drawing board on the proper protocol because in the past six months or so, we've had a terrible track record when it comes to saving gigs with both Cipro and Septra. I can't provide a logical reason why this is happening, other than exporters and wholesalers are treating with antibiotics and the infectious organisms have developed a resistance. My gut tells me it's something else, because I refuse to believe resistance can develop that quickly.
 
I think the blue will make it, just keep doing fresh WC's and dosing.

Minh, if he's looking worse with both antibiotics, stop Tx for 24 hrs and see what he do.

If no change, resume Tx and maybe decrease dosage back to 250mg or run just one antibiotic. He may not be tolerating the Tx well.
 
I think we all going to have our own thinking on this. Maybe I am at one extreme and Dave and D-Nak on the other end.
IMO, I know what I am getting into. I know that this is what I have to do to keep him alive. LA got him to me in the shape thaty he is is the best that they can do. While most reefers likely not agree with me, I see that it is my job to get him to get better and live. This is first Gigantea I MO for 12 years. I hope he will make it, but I have my doubt right now. :(
 
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