Minimalistic multichip DIY LED build

Lasse,

Relex my friend, I was replying to your post in contex to wattage and the comments regarding wattage and heat by troptea. I am in agreement with most of what you have said, I was not infering that you do not have experience or a valid opinion or desire a midwater blue look :)

I´m relaxed - If I wasn´t I had been banned tvice each line I wrote :)

Its no problems - I was not offended but sometimes I'm fond of using the sledge hammer :hammer:

Sincerely Lasse
 
Lasse, You may have said it before but I'm getting confused now, (normal state :-).

If I wanted two dream chips in series, for a 4X2X2 tank and to control all 5 channels of the chips, apart from jannes 5 channel driver (which I am waiting on the edge of my chair for), what would be a good solution for the drivers.

I will use the new large format dreamchip AC-RC heatsink.

There is some options. You can use LPF-90D-36 . It gives 2.5 A. If you connect channel 1 - chip1 and channel1 - chip 2 in paralell mode (+ to + and - to - on the driver 1 for each chip and so on) you will have 1250 mA to each channel (max is 1400mA) You will have around 40 W - each channel than. If it to much - use LPF-90D-42 (2.15/2 -> 1075 mA/ channel -> . Or LPF-90D-48 with 1.88 A -> 940 mA/channel.

Sincerely Lasse
 
@lasse I have received the cooler and was on my easy to find a aluminum plate. I was wondering if the plate would restrict the flow of air

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If you mount the chip´s on a thick aluminumplate (I use 12 mm (0.5") - you can take thicker - 1" mayby) On the other side you mont one of these. You should fasten both chip and cooler with bolts and use a good thermal compound.


@ BeanAnimal: I agree - second time this day :) Ps - did not see the last post - Now I count to three agree :)

Sincerely Lasse

I have some 1/4 aluminum would this work

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Can you put in some pictures of your coolers or a link?
6.3 mm - I do not really know. I use 12 mm and its work fine for app 100 W but with a cooler that manage this. See the pictures.


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Sincerely Lasse
 
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Thanks guys for all the great input! I have made the recommended changes and purchased a par meter, will upload data once it arrives.

@Lassef - Where can I purchase this 100W Dreamchip available? Is this theoretical or is someone actually producing this chip?
 
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Now I am a bit irresolute how you should do. I assume that your cooler can handle 200 to 250 W. The best is probibly to keep your plates as they are and let the air flow sweep over them. I personally would probably use the plates thicker than 12 mm, but it can go with thinner. My thought is that a larger mass function more balancing.

I think that you must first place the cooler "cold plate" right over where you should place the large chip. These graphics card coolers usually come with small heatsinks to put on the graphics card. These I would put above the smaller chips. The left over can be spread evenly over the plate. These can be glued with this product. For the chip to the plate and the cooler to the plate, you should use a good thermal compound and you should bolt both the chips and heatsink to the plate. Look at my pictures at # 2227.

Sincerely Lasse
 
The cooler is rated for 250 watts the plate is 12 millimeters thick

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Then I think it will work - the critical points are when you attach the chips and cooler. You should do very clean, apply a thin, even film of a good thermal compound and tighten securely. If you have small heatsinks to put them on over there the small chips is - see pictures

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Sincerely Lasse
 
The small footprint of CPU coolers can work in conjunction with larger aluminum or copper panels, but there is a limit. My multichips are mounted to an aluminum piece which is in turn mounted to the CPU cooler contact. As long as you use premium thermal grease or glue it will export the heat efficiently. I use silver grease and my parts are machined very smooth. I have also used the larger 140 chip (300w) multichips with CPU coolers and they still run at safe temps.

This piece holds the lens and chip and screws into my CPU cooler.

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The small footprint of CPU coolers can work in conjunction with larger aluminum or copper panels, but there is a limit. My multichips are mounted to an aluminum piece which is in turn mounted to the CPU cooler contact. As long as you use premium thermal grease or glue it will export the heat efficiently. I use silver grease and my parts are machined very smooth. I have also used the larger 140 chip (300w) multichips with CPU coolers and they still run at safe temps.

This piece holds the lens and chip and screws into my CPU cooler.

Thanks

In noplay 180 case - he want a cupple of smaller chip around the 100 watt - therefore the large plate

Sincerely Lasse
 
Sorry, but that is simply not even close to being true. First of all A "T5" is just a fluourescent tube. It has rougly the same electrical efficiency as a T8 or T12 fluorescent tube. Its advantage is the small diameter allowing highly efficient reflectors to be packed tightly together. That is, it allows a higher Watt density over the same footprint as a T12.

Secondly, the "ratio of heat to light" is not in favor of the LED. In fact the LED directly produces far MORE heat than either a Metal Halide or a Fluorescent bulbs.


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As Lasse stated, the LEDs were are using are only as (if even) electrically efficient as MH and T5, the difference is in the wavelenghts they produce. Furthermore, the "warmer" the white light from the LED the less efficient it is, to the point that a CW LED has almost twice the efficacy of a WW LED.


If you are happy with the growth and look of 3:1 RB/CW than you can get away with far fewer watts becuase you are only producing light in those regions. As you start to add emitters to fill in the gaps, the wattage creeps up and the overall efficiency of the fixture creeps down.

Look at it this way, the MH lamp produces full spectrum with some light outside of the range we want or need (IR/UV). We are now trying to leverage LEDs to produce that same full spectrum without the IR and UV, but the LED produces more direct heat. However, there is no magic phosphor coating, so we need multiple LEDs to fill those gaps in. That means more Watts.

So remove 2 X 150W MH lamps (300W) from a 90 gallon tank and replace them with 180W of RB/CW cutting edge emitters for the crappy windex look, -OR- replace them with 250W of varied LEDs to get a broad spectrum output that looks good and grows coral well. In the end you replaced 300W of halide with 250W of LED. Your gain is 50W and the reduction of IR/UV that heat the tank water directly. You can maybe gain another few percent by ramping the LEDs up and down during the day to converve a bit more energy.

Now... If we agree that that same tank may be able to grow coral with 200W of metal halide lamps but look a bit dimmer, then we can assume that we could use 150W of broad spectrum targeted LEDs on the same tank and get a decent color rendering but not as bright as the 250W of LEDs. Nothing is "free", you grow coral but get a dimmer tank! Do it with JUST RB/CW and you get an even dimmer BLUE tank that grows corals for 100W instead of the original 300W of halide. But you are not comparing Apples to Apples. You have are comparing a BRIGHT CRISP COLORFUL tank with a DIM DULL BLUE tank. Some folks are OK with that, others are not.

LEDs are neat, but they are not magic.

Exactly! The only thing I would add is that metal halide radiates heat over greater distances, thus heating your water, while LED is very hot, the heat isn't radiated outward as much. You can feel heat radiating downward from a multichip, but it doesn't impact the water temp significantly. I find a well selected 100w LED mix can replace a 250w metal halide light.
 
Mr Wilson,
Would you expand on your statement "there is a Limit" I follow the rest of your post, but when are you over your limit?---Rick
 
Exactly! The only thing I would add is that metal halide radiates heat over greater distances, thus heating your water, while LED is very hot, the heat isn't radiated outward as much. You can feel heat radiating downward from a multichip, but it doesn't impact the water temp significantly. I find a well selected 100w LED mix can replace a 250w metal halide light.

The bold = IR radiation

Sincerely Lasse
 
Thanks

In noplay 180 case - he want a cupple of smaller chip around the 100 watt - therefore the large plate

Sincerely Lasse

With commercially made lights the cooling standard has to be higher, as the end user may live in hot Texas or chilly Sweden (or worse Canada). They may have a well vented open top or a tightly sealed heat trap. As a general rule, DIY hobbyists never finish anything:) so the DIY LEDs will not have any contributing heat or venting issues, and ambient heat will be manageable.

It's easy to take temp readings when the light is in the bare bones stage, but it's the completed project with waterproof seals, lenses affixed and housings installed where the real heat test comes into play.
 
@ lasse do I have to align the cool plate on the cooler with the 100watt chip or could I do like you did in the picture see attached
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The logical way is picture 2 but not the most aesthetic appearance. I tested my construction in the beginning and found a differnece of about 2 degrees C between different parts of the plate. This indicate that picture 1 should work. My cooler is also uncentred but I placed 30 watts just below it. There is no possibilties to place your chip´s off-center so the center chip (100 watt) is so close to the cole plate of the cooler as possible ? (without that everything looks weird)

However, regardless of which solution you choose - It is wise to test with one and measure how the temperatures vary at different locations on the plate.

I think that it will work with solution number 1 - but I´m not sure

Sincerely Lasse
 
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