Alex T.
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Well here is my original build thread http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=746233&pp=25
After two power outages and no time my tank crashed and I gave up on it for almost 2 1/2 years. All I did was top off the tank with tap water and feed the 3 yellow tail damsels and the two clownfish until sandy hit us and lost power for the third third time. But this time power was lost for 5 days and all but one damsel was left. So I decided for a few days that it was time to take the tank down and turn it into a planeted discus tank......well when I opened the door to the fish room and noticed the chiller,the mrc mr2 protein skimmer, dosing pumps and all the lighting I said to myself naaaaaaaaaa I going back into reef keeping.
So here I am cleaning the pool of bubble algae and hair algae everywhere. All the entire water chemistry is out of wack so it will be a long road ahead before any SPS a purchased.
So I did at one time use vodka and it worked well for me but was a daily chore that some days I just could not get to. That's when I noticed on an amazing tank on reefcentral with a refugium and have been reading about them for days.
With that Said I am trapped /torn between vodka dosing and the refugium filter. What has everyone's expericans been with that? I am leaning more to Vodka then anything so I would love some guidance on this.
Here are a few pictures of what a neglected reef tank looks like,,,,,,
As a former vodka/carbon doser I can tell you that it's not a cure all in the least. Vodka and vinegar work very well for nitrates, but I had to eventually get a phosphate reactor and run GFO when nitrate was limited. It's almost as if you're tipping the scale in one direction and then phosphate gets an opportunity to rise. I periodically battled cyanobacteria, bacterial mats, large clumps of sand and periodic starvation of SPS corals. I could also tell that my clams didn't like carbon dosing in the least. That being said, I feel that Zeovit gets much closer to a manageable system with established benchmarks that the aquarist to watch for before moving to the next step, and then you tweak coloration, polyp extension, etc. from there. I never went that route because I don't have that kind of time, nor do I care to invest that kind of money in supplementation whose ingredients are unknown.
Agreed, he needs no introduction. Though for how simply you state he uses MM, I'd have to respond simply with, I'm sure you've seen the filtration system he uses
I wouldn't attribute his system to the miraculous use of what is called Miracle MUD before I would to his impressive (understatement) filtration
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I agree with you 100%, but I still would love to know why Chingchai uses the mud if it's worthless. I'm not a Miracle Mud Disciple, but I'm not going to write it off as snake oil either. People say it's totally unnecessary, terrestrial in composition and a waste of money. That's fine...but snake oil? Somewhere there's a barebottom SPS system owner who laughs at everyone that uses that snake oil called live sand in their display tank.
Display tanks do very well with Miracle Mud or sand in the sump. It's preference really. I for one would much rather have a shallow sand of mud than a 6 inch deep sand bed that I may eventually have to take off line when it starts releasing nutrients back into the system. All I really see Leng Sy doing is offering a product that helps macro algae grow so they can take up nutrients and provide more microfauna for pod eating fish and corals to feed on. Miracle Gro helps your garden produce some fine, colorful tasting produce and beautiful flowers. Can you do without it? Sure, but I have seen the difference when my wife and I use the Miracle Gro product line. If Mr. Sy can offer a 10lb jar of mud for $80 then God bless him. If nobody saw a difference in their systems, his Ecosystem product line would have been a thing of the past by now.
Again, I've never used it, but I have seen some darn good SPS tanks with Miracle Mud in their refugium.