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maybe I'm wrong, but aren't vipers ucommon in the hobby? If this is part of the Atlantic/Caribbean theme, why not just go with chainlink
 
rubensito said:
maybe I'm wrong, but aren't vipers ucommon in the hobby? If this is part of the Atlantic/Caribbean theme, why not just go with chainlink
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Most vipers are uncommon both in the wild and pet trade. They usually come from the Pacific and found in somewhat deeper water. Not a newbie eel for sure.
 
Moray keeper said:
No, very unlikely. Are you sure on identity though or is it something you saw in a book?
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I saw it in volume 1 of the reef fishes series by Scott W. Michael. It is a very trustworthy book with a lot of species of eels in it and a lot of information on them. Would I be able to keep just the viper or is he too big or too aggressive?
 
rubensito said:
maybe I'm wrong, but aren't vipers ucommon in the hobby? If this is part of the Atlantic/Caribbean theme, why not just go with chainlink
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All of the genus are uncommon, but i know a really good fish store that can get pretty much anything you want(if its not already there). I used to have a chain link, but it took a suicide jump out of the tank. I want either a gymnothorax eel or enchelycore eel because i love their teeth. The chain moray is a bit small, so thats why i wanted the viper.
 
Moray keeper said:
Most vipers are uncommon both in the wild and pet trade. They usually come from the Pacific and found in somewhat deeper water. Not a newbie eel for sure.
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Yes, i know they are quite rare, but as i said earlier i know a fish store that probably could get me one. Also, i thought the viper originates from the caribbean/tropical atlantic. If it comes from the pacific then i definitely don't want one. I know it is sort of hard to keep, that you need to feed live and eventually get it to eat fresh fish flesh or shrimp, but why else is it "not a newbie eel"? Also, I'm not really a newbie.
 
fish042099 said:
Yes, i know they are quite rare, but as i said earlier i know a fish store that probably could get me one. Also, i thought the viper originates from the caribbean/tropical atlantic. If it comes from the pacific then i definitely don't want one. I know it is sort of hard to keep, that you need to feed live and eventually get it to eat fresh fish flesh or shrimp, but why else is it "not a newbie eel"? Also, I'm not really a newbie.
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In hindsight "newbie" should maybe of been reworded but the majority of the questions you have asked in your various posts appear to be from a person thas either has very little or no experience with morays but thats ok either way, we are new at one time and I will try to help you if I can.
As far as vipers go the true viper moray is Enchelynassa canina and is a large , up to 5' moray from the Indo Pacific/ Hawaii area. It looks like a rather drab in coloration version of a dragon moray on steroids both in appearance and attitude. This eel is very seldom caught for the pet trade and is not a good eel for the average hobbyist to keep for several reasons including its adult size, attitude, serious dental work, etc. Live foid is usually not needed with them at all though. If you want something uncommon what about a milliarus like in your avatar? Does pretty well with others and would fit well in your tank while the viper would not.
 
Moray keeper said:
In hindsight "newbie" should maybe of been reworded but the majority of the questions you have asked in your various posts appear to be from a person thas either has very little or no experience with morays but thats ok either way, we are new at one time and I will try to help you if I can.
As far as vipers go the true viper moray is Enchelynassa canina and is a large , up to 5' moray from the Indo Pacific/ Hawaii area. It looks like a rather drab in coloration version of a dragon moray on steroids both in appearance and attitude. This eel is very seldom caught for the pet trade and is not a good eel for the average hobbyist to keep for several reasons including its adult size, attitude, serious dental work, etc. Live foid is usually not needed with them at all though. If you want something uncommon what about a milliarus like in your avatar? Does pretty well with others and would fit well in your tank while the viper would not.
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First off, I am not knew to morays, I just kept the genus Echidna, pebble tooth morays, and am new to both gymnothorax and Enchelycore. Also, I just want people's opinion.
I'm guessing by milliarus you mean gymnothorax miliaris, golden tail moray. That is my original choice of eel, but was enticed by the viper b/c it's teeth and bad rep because I love aggressive fish. I don't want a form like my avatar even though he is pretty because he's from brazil. I want the regular form from the tropical Atlantic. Also I can't afford the golden form. The goldentail morays price is a little steep, on LA(liveaquaria) he's known as the fire coral eel, but still g. Miliaris, and is $200! What would be an average price for this moray?
 
If the price for the goldentail is too high don't ever bother with rarer stuff like vipers. if you want an aggressive eel with impressive teeth then go with your g. moringa or g. vicinus...both very aggressive and both from the atlantic.
 
rubensito said:
If the price for the goldentail is too high don't ever bother with rarer stuff like vipers. if you want an aggressive eel with impressive teeth then go with your g. moringa or g. vicinus...both very aggressive and both from the atlantic.
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G. Moringa will terrorize my tank, i hear. I also heard that nothing is safe in a tank with G. moringa. Basicaly they said that g. moringa is not an option for me. Anyway i don't want aggressive, i want impressive teeth. Would something like E. carychroa(chestnut moray) work with the goldentail?

http://www.livingreefs.com/chestnut-moray-t17771.html
 
Sorry i misunderstood. in post 9 on this thread you said you love aggressive fish. that being said i can't speak from experience but the viper would also present aggression issues i would assume. if you can find a chestnut then by all means get it, although it will most likely be hard to find a specimen.
 
rubensito said:
Sorry i misunderstood. in post 9 on this thread you said you love aggressive fish. that being said i can't speak from experience but the viper would also present aggression issues i would assume. if you can find a chestnut then by all means get it, although it will most likely be hard to find a specimen.
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Oh, sorry didn't mean to get you mixed up. I like fish that can take a chunk of flesh out of a fish or fray some fins once in a while, also tear up silversides with razor sharp teeth, not kill every fish in my tank and loose $300!
 
fish042099 said:
G. Moringa will terrorize my tank, i hear. I also heard that nothing is safe in a tank with G. moringa. Basicaly they said that g. moringa is not an option for me. Anyway i don't want aggressive, i want impressive teeth. Would something like E. carychroa(chestnut moray) work with the goldentail?

http://www.livingreefs.com/chestnut-moray-t17771.html
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A spotted may bother your fish depending on the tankmates, they can be aggressive, very aggressive but I have worked with a lot of other morays that were more aggressive. The viper is one of them. If your looking for a moray with huge teeth that isnt aggredsive at one time or another let me know when you find one. The teeth are not there for show. As far as chestnuts go they can be pretty aggressive for their size and pretty hard to find unless you maybe happen to dive and know where to find some. I have owned three only ever in close to 26 years working with morays and these were the only three I have seen for sale. They might be common somewhere but also might not be but either way I never see them offered for sale and I have several wholesale lists I get weekly and have a few good diver sources in Florida and they never see any. Maybe they pop up under assorted moray sometime cause nobody knows what they are?
 
fish042099 said:
Oh, sorry didn't mean to get you mixed up. I like fish that can take a chunk of flesh out of a fish or fray some fins once in a while, also tear up silversides with razor sharp teeth, not kill every fish in my tank and loose $300!
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I almost never see them "take a chunk" out of anything. Even the biggest and baddest I have now or have had pretty much just swallow whatever whole like a snake would swallow. Exception would be when one tries to steal foid from another but that usually is jyst a quick snip and swallow
 
Moray keeper said:
I almost never see them "take a chunk" out of anything. Even the biggest and baddest I have now or have had pretty much just swallow whatever whole like a snake would swallow. Exception would be when one tries to steal foid from another but that usually is jyst a quick snip and swallow
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My chain moray used to bite my sergeant because he thought he was food.
 
Moray keeper said:
A spotted may bother your fish depending on the tankmates, they can be aggressive, very aggressive but I have worked with a lot of other morays that were more aggressive. The viper is one of them. If your looking for a moray with huge teeth that isnt aggredsive at one time or another let me know when you find one. The teeth are not there for show. As far as chestnuts go they can be pretty aggressive for their size and pretty hard to find unless you maybe happen to dive and know where to find some. I have owned three only ever in close to 26 years working with morays and these were the only three I have seen for sale. They might be common somewhere but also might not be but either way I never see them offered for sale and I have several wholesale lists I get weekly and have a few good diver sources in Florida and they never see any. Maybe they pop up under assorted moray sometime cause nobody knows what they are?
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People get mixed up with the chestnut and viper moray too. I saw one for sale online and it said it was a "chestnut/viper moray" even though there is a difference between the two. Anyway what Atlantic eels that would work with a creolefish, sargassum trigger, blue head wrasse, redspotted hawkfish, and (feisty)sergeant major damsel?
 
fish042099 said:
People get mixed up with the chestnut and viper moray too. I saw one for sale online and it said it was a "chestnut/viper moray" even though there is a difference between the two. Anyway what Atlantic eels that would work with a creolefish, sargassum trigger, blue head wrasse, redspotted hawkfish, and (feisty)sergeant major damsel?
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Some of the fish you listed can probably will be potential food for both morays.
 
You need to do some research on your own here... your original proposal would have given you a slightly fatter viper moray in cramped settings, and you'll likely be unable to find a true viper anyway. Enchelycore nigricans and E. bayeri appear occasionally, and E. lichenosa can be found as well (you can expect to pay $700-$1,200 on those). E. carychroa also appears occasionally, but I wouldn't recommend it - they're incredibly reclusive and you'll likely never see it.

Go with a couple of the miliaris... stunning species, extremely hardy and easy to find.
 
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