Multiple anemones.....

[lougotzz]

Alright, I am setting up a 75 gallon tank in my basement, I have a marineland reef ready aquarium, octopus skimmer rated for 180 gallon tank. I want this tank to be anemone dominated. Anemones and clams mostly. Maybe some LPS corals like a hammer coral, frog spawn, bubble coral. You know stuff that looks like it can pop. Id also like a rose anemone, some sort of carpet anemone and maybe a bubble coral or GBTA.

My questions are can these anemones go in the same tank? If not, what anemones can go together in a standard 75?

The fish will be a yellow tang, six line wrasse, and pair of clowns. Prolly a pair of naked, false percula, or black an white. Have not decided on which pair.

So let me know what I need to do. Thanks.

I will also be running either 2Xs 150W metal halides at 20k or 2Xs 250W metal halides at 20k.

Alright. Thanks again.

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

I have a bta and carpet in the same tank. They never crossed paths but they are fine together. For a 75 though they are going to get big quick and may have some problems. for the idea of having a nem dominant tank you are going to have a hard time keeping corals as well as the nems will more than likely constantly roam around and sting everything in its path

 

[lougotzz]

Alright so I would cancel out corals for that reason than, thats one thing I was worried about. What anemones should I put in the 75 than? Also, how often with the anemones split?

 

[windlasher]

If you are worried, keep two of the same kind to increase your chances.

 

[patriots81]

yeah, i would go with a GBTA and RBTA, they should be okay when kept together. Anemones split mostly due to stress so you dont know when they will split.l

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

I had to post on this one... now that I said that ^^^ I woke up and had my carpet next to my gbta this morning and don't know what the outcome is going to be..... my new addition (diamond goby) started cleaning up around the carpet and must have been irritating it's foot and forced the him to move uproot..... hmm

 

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15732158#post15732158 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sisterlimonpot
I had to post on this one... now that I said that ^^^ I woke up and had my carpet next to my gbta this morning and don't know what the outcome is going to be..... my new addition (diamond goby) started cleaning up around the carpet and must have been irritating it's foot and forced the him to move uproot..... hmm

Is it a Haddoni or Gig?

Years ago I kept a Haddoni with BTAs, a BTA clone went on walk-about --- over the sandbed --- and came into contact with my Haddoni, shockingly enough the Haddoni took the brunt of the damage. It did recover, but it took a couple of month.

Later on I tried BTAs with a Haddoni again, and while they didn't come into contact with each other I did notice the Haddoni looking better after I sold off all the BTAs. While waiting to sell an LTA I held it in a tank that had a Haddoni, during that week they both looked awful.

I will no longer keep different species of anemone in the same tank, I just haven't had good luck with it. Keeping different color morphs of the same species isn't an issue --- even touching doesn't cause any issues IME.

 

[lougotzz]

Why is it that two anemones of the same species wont harm each other, but two different species will?

 

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15734165#post15734165 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lougotzz
Why is it that two anemones of the same species wont harm each other, but two different species will?

I am just guessing here ---- When they touch each other they aren't able to sense that it is another anemone, but just itself. And when not touching, but in the same tank they can't read/sense the chemicals in the water indicating that there is another anemone in the tank like they can with a different species.

But, I have had Haddonis, LTAs, and BTAs all touching each other (( Haddoni/Haddoni, then LTA/LTA and finally BTA/BTA )) without any issues at all.

 

[bues0022]

probably similar reasons why two different coral frags of the same species can touch and not kill each other, but two different species will. I've seen pictures of three colors of trumpet corals all woven together.

 

[windlasher]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15734165#post15734165 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lougotzz
Why is it that two anemones of the same species wont harm each other, but two different species will?

Chemical warfare. The same reason two different countries next to each other fight. It's a territory thing.

 

[lougotzz]

Alright. Well, I have been looking at some photos of RBTA and i really like them. So along with setting up the tank in the basement, I will be making a nano dedicated to the anemone. I have an elos mini sump on my hands. So what I did was carve out the glass baffles, drill two holes in the bottom piece of glass, and I am going to put the plumbing together as soon as I get the bulk heads in the mail and I will make an overflow with acrylic panels. Ill be running a skimmer, probably the elos skimmer that comes with the mini. Its a good skimmer it pulls out a lot of stuff.

The tank is 14''X12''X14'' LxWxH. My question is, even though the tank is smaller, would 250W metal halide be to bright?

Thanks.

 

[bues0022]

I think you'll come to find that even for a BTA that tank will quickly become too small. by my calculations, that tank is just a little over 10 gallons. I'm not sure this is the best for a nem. With a tank that small you'll run into water quality issues, salinity, and if you're thinking of putting 250 watts of MH over that small of a tank you will definitely run into heat issues.

IMO, unless you go with the larger nano tanks in the 20-30 gallon range, they are just too small for anemones to thrive. Not saying it can't be done, but the odds are a bit against you. Also remember that a 3" RBTA can get easily get over 12" across - in a year or less depending on conditions.

Don't think that your effort on that little tank has been worthless though, that could be a very nice tank for maybe a zoa garden, and a pair of percs if your into that nano tank stuff.

 

[lougotzz]

Im not concerned about tank size, im going to upgrade to an elos system 70 in less than a year, but for time being, I have set this nano up.

 

[bues0022]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15739798#post15739798 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bues0022
With a tank that small you'll run into water quality issues, salinity, and if you're thinking of putting 250 watts of MH over that small of a tank you will definitely run into heat issues.

Also remember that a 3" RBTA can get easily get over 12" across - in a year or less depending on conditions.

The most important things I was trying to get across were water issues - mostly heat if you want to do 250W on a 10gallon tank, and remember that BTAs can get quite large quite fast.

It sounds like you have an "exit strategy" as far as size goes, so that's checked off. (sooner the better - but just watch the size of your nem and make sure it's not "busting at the seams")

With careful planning - fans, ATO etc. and VERY diligent husbandry with frequent water changes the water quality issue could also be mitigated.

As long as you know what you''re up against and take steps to reduce risk it may work as short-term. Good luck.

 

[lougotzz]

Yeah I got what you were saying. I already have an ATO system, so salinity should be in check. Like you said, my exit strategy is down, and it probably will be sooner. Now that I think of it, I may get or make an all acrylic tank instead of the system 70, I would save a lot of money. I always do weekly water changes as it is on my other tanks, so this would be no different. I was just curious is 250 watts of light could "hurt" the anemone.

Thanks.