My 65G Shallow Reef Tank

Beautiful tank
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Thanks.

Greetings from snowy Sheffield. I hope you are having a good Christmas if you are celebrating it.

It is update time.

My tank is doing fairly well. Corals are growing, water chemistry is "stable" (KH = 8.00 dKH; Ca = 415 ppm; pH = 7.92-8.16). Coral coloration is still not as optimum I would like. I have plenty of light over the tank with the right spectrum and intensity. I have no complaints on lights anymore. I think that I need to do more work on the water chemistry, especially on reducing organics. I still have some cyano despite having brief spell of success in the past. Clearly certain things are still not in balance. I have started to fluidise Rowa Phos. I am also using Rox 0.8 passively in a 200 micron bag in my sump. I have no sign of micro algae on rocks or glass. However, I have to clean the front glass every day. Cheato growth has slowed down significantly after starting to fluidise Rowa Phos. I am going to experiment with KZ coral snow and KZ zeobac in the new year. I need to break cyano's dominance somehow as reduced organics in the water column does not seem to be working. When I dosed white vinegar last year for a period of one month, the cyano completely disappeared when the dosage amount reached up to 12 ml per day. Clearly encouraging the growth of heterotrophic bacteria broke cyano's dominance at the time. Unfortunately, I had to abandon carbon dosing as all my acroporas started to suffer from STN. I still do not know why this happened. I have no intention to repeat this experiment in case STN reoccurs. I dread it as much as I dread AEFW. Moreover, I have started to dose limewater recently to bind phosphates and heavy metals in the water column. I dose approximately 3 litres every day. I have had to reduce two-part dosing in return. I am dosing limewater manually at present, but have plans to automate it. I was going to purchase a kalk stirrer, but have then decided to dose it from a container using a peristaltic pump, which will be connected to a digital timer. I will stir calcium hydroxide once in a while to ensure that its potency is maintained.

Here are some pictures I took a few hours ago:

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Amazing SPS grow!!!

Did you notice a big diference in the corals between the 2 fixtures?

Thank you very much.

I am pretty impressed with the growth rates of my corals if I must be honest. My new ATI powermodule certainly made a big difference because I can put my sps corals literally anywhere in my tank. They simply keep growing.

When I replaced my sunpower module (6 X 39W: 3 C+ and 3 B+) with a powermodule (8 X 39: 5 B+: 3 C+), I thought I was going to get PAR increase at the front and back of my tank, but as it turned out even the middle section started to receive a lot more PAR. At present PAR varies between 250 ± 10% mmol/m2/sec to 675 ± 10% mmol/m2/sec. The powermodule is hung 8" over the water surface. When I had the sunpower I could not raise the unit more than 5" from the water surface.
 
Very nice tank Bulent, you should be very proud:). definitely following this one:beer:
 
Sweet sps!

Thank you

Very nice tank Bulent, you should be very proud:). definitely following this one:beer:

Thank you Rory. This is not as an exciting thread as most other threads on RC, especially the ones in the sps section. My coral selection and photography skills (and my selection of photography equipment) could have been better, but I take pride in the long term survivability of my corals, some of which have been with me since I started reef keeping over six years ago. Having said that I have been very very lucky so far by not getting any AEFWs on my corals. I fear of these pests so much that I can no longer buy acropora colonies or frags unless they are very tiny (e.g. less than an inch) so that I can inspect them with a magnifying glass before introducing them to my tank. However, my patience and resolve have been tested in the past by pyramidellid snails and montipora eating nudibranches. I have successfully got rid of them. That I am also proud of.

The latest story is my battle against cyanobacteria, which have infested my tank to a moderate degree since I set up this tank nearly three years ago. I have recently started to use some Zeovit products. It appears that I am about to reach a successful conclusion with this battle too (hopefully). This ongoing battle has taught me a lot about water chemistry, bacteria, DOCs and TOCs, and equipment selection. I have been publishing my interim results on a UK forum. Once I am satisfied that the battle is over I will publish an executive summary in this thread.

Thanks for reading.

Bulent

PS. I bet you did not expect this long a reply, did you? :lol2:
 
Thank you



Thank you Rory. This is not as an exciting thread as most other threads on RC, especially the ones in the sps section. My coral selection and photography skills (and my selection of photography equipment) could have been better, but I take pride in the long term survivability of my corals, some of which have been with me since I started reef keeping over six years ago. Having said that I have been very very lucky so far by not getting any AEFWs on my corals. I fear of these pests so much that I can no longer buy acropora colonies or frags unless they are very tiny (e.g. less than an inch) so that I can inspect them with a magnifying glass before introducing them to my tank. However, my patience and resolve have been tested in the past by pyramidellid snails and montipora eating nudibranches. I have successfully got rid of them. That I am also proud of.

The latest story is my battle against cyanobacteria, which have infested my tank to a moderate degree since I set up this tank nearly three years ago. I have recently started to use some Zeovit products. It appears that I am about to reach a successful conclusion with this battle too (hopefully). This ongoing battle has taught me a lot about water chemistry, bacteria, DOCs and TOCs, and equipment selection. I have been publishing my interim results on a UK forum. Once I am satisfied that the battle is over I will publish an executive summary in this thread.

Thanks for reading.

Bulent

PS. I bet you did not expect this long a reply, did you? :lol2:

Look forward to your write up. I find your posts/thread interesting Bulent hence why I follow it. :thumbsup:
 
Thank you



Thank you Rory. This is not as an exciting thread as most other threads on RC, especially the ones in the sps section. My coral selection and photography skills (and my selection of photography equipment) could have been better, but I take pride in the long term survivability of my corals, some of which have been with me since I started reef keeping over six years ago. Having said that I have been very very lucky so far by not getting any AEFWs on my corals. I fear of these pests so much that I can no longer buy acropora colonies or frags unless they are very tiny (e.g. less than an inch) so that I can inspect them with a magnifying glass before introducing them to my tank. However, my patience and resolve have been tested in the past by pyramidellid snails and montipora eating nudibranches. I have successfully got rid of them. That I am also proud of.

The latest story is my battle against cyanobacteria, which have infested my tank to a moderate degree since I set up this tank nearly three years ago. I have recently started to use some Zeovit products. It appears that I am about to reach a successful conclusion with this battle too (hopefully). This ongoing battle has taught me a lot about water chemistry, bacteria, DOCs and TOCs, and equipment selection. I have been publishing my interim results on a UK forum. Once I am satisfied that the battle is over I will publish an executive summary in this thread.

Thanks for reading.

Bulent

PS. I bet you did not expect this long a reply, did you? :lol2:
Well your tank is a lot better than mine at the minute and as long as your proud of it, that's all that matters. If that was my tank I'd have a grin from ear to ear:D One day I'll be there (and at the rate that my tank is improving since its low spot that will be very soon:dance: ). I admire your anti-pest routine when looking for pests on incoming frags:beer: and I hope that you remain pest free:). Haha lol, well I've spent enough time with Biggles, Sahin and Mike that now I expect anything and everything:lol:
 
It is update time:

I have made three changes.

First, I have removed cheato completely. Prolonged use of KZ ZEOzym, KZ cyanoclean and KZ Coral snow in my battle against cyanobacteria has taken its toll on my cheato. It has stopped growing. It is the first time since the early days of keeping my nano tank some six years ago that I have started to run a reef tank without macro algae. The impact of its absence is yet to be felt. I have moved all my live rock pieces, which were kept in the skimmer compartment of the sump, to where the cheato was kept. There is some nice sponge growth on some of the pieces.

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Second, I have recently started to use a product designed to reduce nitrates and phosphates by actually adding nitrogen, phosphorus and organic carbon, along with some trace elements and potassium. What I use is called Tropic Marin NP Bacto balance. The starting daily dose is 0.25 ml per 100 l. The maximum daily dose is 1 ml peer 100 l. I started very cautiously on 28th February with a daily starting dose of 0.1 ml per 100l. After one week I increased the daily dose to 0.16 ml per 100 l. I am now dosing 0.25 ml per 100 l daily. I will increase the daily dose only fractionally every two weeks from now on.

There is hardly any information and reviews about this product other than what is provided in marketing blurb on Topic Marin's website. I have managed to access to a German forum in which there was a thread on this product. After reading 47-page long threads, I was able to get in-depth analysis of the product by the proprietor, Herr Hans-Werner Balling, along with empirical data about the long term use of this product. Herr Balling emphasises the importance of maintaining a ratio of 10:1 between nitrates and phosphates. He argues that sudden removal of phosphates by GFO or other means causes not only STN/RTN on corals, but also cyanobacteria. I am yet to figure out why this is. My only guess is that unless there is sufficient nitrates in the water column bacterias' ability to consume phosphates in tandem with nitrates diminishes. What is interesting is that Herr Balling argues that so-called "nitrate limitation" cannot happen in reef tanks due to constant feeding of fish (unless there is carbon dosing). I am going to re-read the whole thread once again to assimilate his theories. I have no clue what my measurable phosphates are at present. I am going to order an Elos phosphate test kit soon. If Herr Balling is right and it turns out that nitrate-phosphate ratio in my tank is not 10:1, I may have to intervene by introducing additional nitrogen source to my tank (e.g. sodium nitrates). At present, I hardly get any nitrate readings on Salifert in spite of removing cheato.

Third, I replaced my Bubble Magus Nac 6a skimmer with a Deltec SC 1350 two weeks ago. I was not happy with the BM for a long time. My main gripe was that it did not produce consistent foam head. After reading a thread on RC and getting advice from @Sahin, I removed its bubble plate and cup. It improved but its skimmate production was still not consistent. I then questioned whether or not this skimmer's neck size was too big for the nutrient load of my tank (read this as was it too big for my tank). I sought help from a fellow reefer, @rishma, here on RC. He provided some visible metrics to evaluate the appropriateness of a skimmer:

"Here are my current thoughts on skimmer sizing (assumes well designed skimmers with balanced air/water and neck diameter):

Perfect Sizing: A perfectly sized skimmer is probably not realisitc, but it is a good starting point. This skimmer would skim consistently and remove waste down to the acceptable levels at the same rate waste is introduced to the tank. Little to no adjustment required, set it and forget it. A perfectly sized skimmer would never be idle, but would be close.

Undersized: Skims consistently with little to no adjustment but waste builds up in the tank water and the skimmer cannot keep up.

Slightly oversized: Skims well most of the time but goes idle when waste levels drop below the amount that can form a stable foam head in that neck diameter. Requires adjustments to keep skimming consistently and likley skims wet. With adjustment, it will maintain low waste levels in tank but not as low as the "Perfect Size".

Grossly oversized: May skim when first broken-in if waste levels are high enough, but strips the water quickly to the a waste level that cannot maintain a stable foam head. Very frequent adjustments to keep it skimming and it will skim wet. Remaining waste level in tank can be an unacceptably high in concentration.

So how to get a perfectly sized skimmer? Its probably not possible
"

The BM skimmer definitely exhibited signs of being a "slightly oversized" skimmer. On the other hand, the new Deltec SC 1350 appears to work flawlessly, producing consistent foam head without requiring any adjustments. According to @rishma's definitions, it is either "perfect" or "slightly undersized", but it is definitely not "slightly oversized". Future measurements on nutrients will confirm one way or the other what type of skimmer it is for sure.

I have built a platform to raise it so that it sits in 8" of water depth.

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It seems to be skimming quite dry despite the fact that the water outlet is almost closed. As you can see, the foam does not drain but kind of "hangs", which I am not mistaken is an indication of dry skimming. I may attempt to tinker with the water level in the future, so that I will get wetter skimmate, but will leave everything as is.

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Finally, here are some photos, which I took last night. Everything is OK except cyanobacteria. Corals are growing, their polyps are extended and their colours are OK. I am fairly happy overall.

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PS.

Deltec SC 1350 is quite expensive in the UK. I could have bought it from Germany a lot cheaper. However, I decided to trade some of my corals to offset the cost after my lfs indicated that he was very happy to take them for store credit.

I fragged my Acropora copiosa/formasa/microphthalma (I cannot decide which one) on the right hand side of my tank heavily on two separate occasions and raised £150 :roll face:.:roll face:

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However, during the process I mishandled the colony and ended up almost running it:

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Fortunately, I managed to put the pieces back together again. My coral is now back to its former glory.
 
Bulent, how much did the Deltec SC 1350 set you back? I want to get one too. Is the neck on this skimmer same size as the BM NAC6 or smaller?

Can you post a few more images of the foam inside the cup after a full clean of the skimmer cup? I want to be able to see DRY FOAM and the FOAM ending up in the skimmer cup, rather than not managing to overflow into the cup.

Your tank looks great. The corals look great. I'll be keeping an eye on how the coral colours respond now that the macro algae has been taken out.
 
Bulent, how much did the Deltec SC 1350 set you back? I want to get one too. Is the neck on this skimmer same size as the BM NAC6 or smaller?

Can you post a few more images of the foam inside the cup after a full clean of the skimmer cup? I want to be able to see DRY FOAM and the FOAM ending up in the skimmer cup, rather than not managing to overflow into the cup.

Your tank looks great. The corals look great. I'll be keeping an eye on how the coral colours respond now that the macro algae has been taken out.

The store price was £249, but I was given an additional 10% discount. Hence, it cost me £225. I could have bought it from Germany for 239 Euro + 9.80 Euro for delivery (approximately £185).

The neck size is smaller than the neck size of BM Nac 6a. Its internal diameter is approximately 75 mm.

I have just stopped the skimmer to clean its cup. I will take a few pictures tomorrow for you. Just before cleaning the cup, I have taken two pictures in case they may be of interest:

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Hi Sahin,

What do you think of the pictures I posted yesterday? I have just taken this one. The foam looks really dry. I am not sure if I should change the setting, so that I will get wetter skimmate.

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I'd keep it at that mate. I think with your tank size and fish stock you arent going to get the dark dry foam and dark coffee coloured skimmate. I was expecting the new skimmer to produce that, but I think you are limited by your bioload.

Being purely critical, I dont think the BM NAC6 was that far behind in performance? What do you think? I am getting a VERY similar colour of skimmate in my skimmer cup. The foam is pretty much similar too. I'd say if the skimmer cup on the BM NAC6 was slightly smaller, it would have been a pretty much perfect skimmer.

One thing I am not agreeable with your change is the removal of the refugium/chaeto. I really think it is a part of the reason why you have good colours on your acros. I would take lots of photos of different corals and compare in 2-3 months.

Of course your skimmer was changed at the same time, so we wont know for sure, but I have a suspicion the full bodied colour on that jade coloured acro that broke is partly due to the presence of the chaeto as a nutrient reduction method.

Maybe I am just crazy...:lol: But I will be following with interest for sure.
 
I'd keep it at that mate. I think with your tank size and fish stock you arent going to get the dark dry foam and dark coffee coloured skimmate. I was expecting the new skimmer to produce that, but I think you are limited by your bioload.

Being purely critical, I dont think the BM NAC6 was that far behind in performance?

What do you think? I am getting a VERY similar colour of skimmate in my skimmer cup. The foam is pretty much similar too. I'd say if the skimmer cup on the BM NAC6 was slightly smaller, it would have been a pretty much perfect skimmer.

I am not sure about this because if I wet skim with this skimmer, I would collect twice as much skimmate as I did with BM when it was set to wet skim. When I set my BM skimmer to dry skimming, I hardly got any skimmate. Skimmate production was not consistent. I think this is down to BM's neck being slightly larger.

As for the colour of skimmate, I had no idea it is an indication of anything. For example, drier skimmates are usually darker, but does this mean you export more nutrients? Can you please point me to a source so that I can do more reading on the correlation between skimmate colour and skimmate content? I have just double checked Feldman's articles and did not come across any reference to skimmate coloration.

One thing I am not agreeable with your change is the removal of the refugium/chaeto. I really think it is a part of the reason why you have good colours on your acros. I would take lots of photos of different corals and compare in 2-3 months.

Of course your skimmer was changed at the same time, so we wont know for sure, but I have a suspicion the full bodied colour on that jade coloured acro that broke is partly due to the presence of the chaeto as a nutrient reduction method.

Maybe I am just crazy...:lol: But I will be following with interest for sure.

I will certainly monitor the changes in coloration.You are probably right about the chaeto, but I am dosing organic carbon source along with P and N now, which strips nutriments anyway. I like experimenting with different ideas. I must be crazy too... :clown:
 
I am not sure about this because if I wet skim with this skimmer, I would collect twice as much skimmate as I did with BM when it was set to wet skim. When I set my BM skimmer to dry skimming, I hardly got any skimmate. Skimmate production was not consistent. I think this is down to BM's neck being slightly larger.
That makes sense.

As for the colour of skimmate, I had no idea it is an indication of anything. For example, drier skimmates are usually darker, but does this mean you export more nutrients? Can you please point me to a source so that I can do more reading on the correlation between skimmate colour and skimmate content? I have just double checked Feldman's articles and did not come across any reference to skimmate coloration.
No data source; just going by from seeing the higher end skimmers producing a much darker skimmate and seeing pretty good colours on the SPS. This is of course grossly unscientific :lol: But I would assume the higher level of darkness is due to a greater amount of particulate and dissolved matter taken out hence a darker skimmate hence my assertion that darker skimmate = higher level of nutrients removed in the skimmate.

Of course one could counter argue me and say that skimming wet to remove more will remove more water, but can achieve the same effect.

I will certainly monitor the changes in coloration.You are probably right about the chaeto, but I am dosing organic carbon source along with P and N now, which strips nutriments anyway. I like experimenting with different ideas. I must be crazy too... :clown:

I dont know mate...but lately I've been thinking over the whole nutrient thing...

Low N & P (ie normal 0.03ppm PO4 and 0.2ppm NO3 etc) doesnt always = nice SPS colours. In fact, some tanks have higher NO3=5-10ppm and PO4=0.05-0.08 and still have really nice colours; ie Richard and Thales tanks.

Also, the whole phosphate thing...we only get to measure inorganic phosphate...we have no idea about the total phosphate and how dissolved organics play a part in the colours of SPS corals.

Personally, I've seen in my own tank good colours in the SPS at both low end PO4 and NO3 and at the higher end (PO4=towards 0.1ppm and NO3=even upto 15ppm). The main difference in the appearance of the SPS was either a pale or deep colouration...but the colours of the SPS appears to be triggered by something else/another parameter in the water.

So that I'm saying is that IMO having a algae scrubber or chaeto filled refugium assists in some way to achieve better SPS colouration. Exactly what is being removed I dont know.

One of my buddies with a DIY T5+LED (T5's had home made reflectors and LED was Chinese import of a basic multidiode chip and a basic filtration system with a large refugium had the most amazing SPS colours I ever saw in person. He hadnt tested his PO4 in a long time and when he measured it and found out it was around 0.25ppm.

Anyway mate, I will stop my ranting. :lol: It will be interesting to see how your corals respond over the next couple of months. :)
 
Bulent, its been arouund 3 weeks...any updates? Better colouration? Same or worse since removal of chaeto and upgrade of skimmer?
 
Bulent, its been arouund 3 weeks...any updates? Better colouration? Same or worse since removal of chaeto and upgrade of skimmer?

Hi Sahin,

I can tell you that the removal of chaeto has had no impact on the coloration of my corals except the orange montipora, which is slightly browny orange as opposed to bright orange.

I have recently started to use a new batch of nitrate (Salifert) and phosphate (Elos) test kits. Prior to using them for the first time, I have calibrated them with a brand new FM's reference solution. The Salifert kit was spot on. The Elos kit produced only very slightly low reading compared to the reference.

On 23rd March, NO3 was nil (there was a very very slight hint of pink in the test vial) and the phosphate reading was between 0.008 mg/l and 0.015 mg/l (in P terms or between 0.024 mg./l and 0.046 mg/l in PO4 terms). The colour was closer to 0.015 mg/l than 0.008 mg/l.

The results of the tests I carried out yesterday were as follows: NO3 was nil (this time there was no hint of pink in the test vial). Phosphate reading was still between (0.008 mg/l and 0.015 mg/l, but colour was an exact match to 0.008 mg/l. I asked my son to confirm my reading, which he did as correct. Clearly, TM NP Bacto balance is working for me. I am currently dosing 0.93 ml per day. I will increase the dosage to 1.20 ml in three days time. My aim is to rely on my corals' reaction as opposed to test results. All my corals show good polyp expansion and good coloration.

Moreover, I have started to feed all the animals in my tank as opposed to just fishes. I have been dosing KZ sponge power since 23rd March and Reef Nutrition's Phytofeast Live. I am getting very good sponge (white) growth and an increase in the feather duster population in both DT and sump as a result.

One of my friends has closed down his tank recently. I collected several Mexican snails, two Ophioderma spp. brittle stars, a giant tube worm and hand picked hundreds of bristle worms from his sump and introduced them to my sand bed in DT as well as in my sump. I am taking a holistic approach to nutrient reduction.

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There is another tube worm in the sump, but it was hiding at the time of taking the photo a few minutes ago. I will also be getting several yellow sponges soon to diversify my army of cleaners.

I have switched back to Seachem Matrix carbon as I find it gentler than Rox 0.8 and easier to work with.

I have purchased a Deltec (KM 500) kalkwasser stirrer from Germany, which will be coming anytime now. Cockfields had many Rowa Kalk tubs, which they could not sell. I bought the whole lot at a bargain price, which means that based on my calculations I have enough calcium hydroxide for up to four years :celeb3:.

Finally, the new skimmer is really great. I have played with its setting, so that it is producing slightly drier skimmate. I took this photo earlier this morning without flash or lights in my north facing office/fish room at home.

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Thanks for your continued interest in my tank.

regards

Bulent

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