my clown has a pimple.. or somthing. any ideas please? *stressed*

[TOURKID]

I cant get a picture yet, ive been gone for 5 days and my camera is still buried.

I got home about an hour ago and my small juvi maroon clown has a white pimple behind its side fin.

he appears to be acting the same and eating.

I dont know how long he has had it. it wasent there when i left.
Im looking for a name for what im dealing with, or a webpage with pictures and cures. anything.

any help would be very appreciated. thanks

 

[TOURKID]

heres some pics. its raised like a bump and white. it looks like my female is getting one between her eyes. really need some imput

 

[fkdenton]

Has he tried clearasel or some of those anti acne face scrubs

 

[colby]

Lol...funny

Um I am no expert but my gut feeling is ich, I am not positive but it looks like it to me. I would recommend puyying him into a QT tank with severly lowered gravity, feed him well with garlic enriched foods and make sure the water quality is good. If all goes well he should heal well by himself. You caught it relatively early so all should work out...

Also if you have any other fish I would keep a close eye on them and may even move them just as a precautionary act....

Good luck

 

[Sk8r]

Tourkid, I'm not so sure on ich. It might be another kind of parasite. Google 'fish disease marine' and see what sites come up. My collection of links has gone bad.

 

[CanesDave]

If the clown has been with you for a while (through QT) then I wouldn't necessarily worry about ich. One of my clowns got a similar spot a few months back and it went away on its own. If the fish isn't showing other symptoms like scratching, rapid breathing, or loss of appetite I wouldn't rush to medicate or isolate. I was concerned when I saw the single spot on my spawning female occelaris but it resolved itself in about a week. This fish is about three years old.

Now if the juvi maroon is new to you and not QT'd then the answer might be different.

 

[TOURKID]

its not ick. i disregarded the first two posts. It was qt'ed for 6 weeks and ive had it in the reef over a month. Im looking for an expert here.

no signs of anything wrong. hes eating swimming, etc very normally. I bought some more vitamins today. Im going to keep him in the reef unless it gets worse

the thing is.. the only thing i can even get it to relate to is Lymphocystis... but im not really sure. it hasent gotton any bigger today. It really does look like a zit!! Its not blocking the gills or mouth etc.. so im just going to do the best i can with my tank and keep a close eye

but if anyone has some early pics of Lymphocystis or has had this with theyre fish and have any other ideas what it could be.. please clue me in!!

thanks,
maggie

 

[Amphiprion]

I have never found out what it was, but in any case, they tend go away with time. Sometimes, they will come back for unknown reasons (probably environmental factors). I have no clue what they are and I am unaware of anyone else that may know. I have never noticed any issues from them, except for when they appear on the mouth. The ones I have seen are somewhat smaller than that, though. Keep an eye out and watch for any erratic behavior.

 

[TOURKID]

thanks will do.

It might look big.. but the fish is really small. maybe an inch.. so the white dot is well.... the size of a reg. small pimple lol

Im going to do another 10% water change after the salt water sits a day or so. and i picked up some vitimins.

Ive never heard of white dots popping up b4. I was assuming it was a worm, or parasite. but it doesent fit any of the descriptions

 

[MarinaP]

Not lympho or ick.

FWD for 15 min should help.

Take a pic of what falls off.

 

[Ciarán]

Not lympho or ick.

I agree with the dismissal of ich as a cause but am not so sure one can rule out Lymphocytosis. The protrubance looks too large for the characteristic "ich" or "velvet" protozoan infection but i think it could easily be Lymphocytosis. My schooling bannerfish had Lymphocytosis for a while and it just looked like a small clustering of small fleshy growths on his side, close to the pectoral fin. A tell-tale sign for Lymphocytosis is the appearance of the growths on the fins, particularaly pectoral and caudal in my experience of it. I solved it with garlic additions, spriulina enriched foods and a regular (weekly) water change regime, if its Lymphocytosis, its most likely due to an environmental issue or a sudden shift in the water dyanmics and/or nutritional deficiency. I can't really think of any other affliction that would be related to it other than some sort of parasitic copepod or isopod becoming encysted in the flesh. Watch to see if it "itches" itself off the substrate perhaps.

Hope this helps.

Ciaran.

 

[MarinaP]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7686406#post7686406 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ciarán
i think it could easily be Lymphocytosis.

IMHO Lympho appears cauliflower-like, even in early stages.

Perfect water conditions are the cure

 

[TOURKID]

well yeah, the water conditions did change, as nothing was added to the water for 5 days except fresh water top offs and food. and im sure there was a nutritional dificancy as well, they werent getting added vitamins, and only flake at night.

theres nothing on the fins and it isent califlower like, it looks like its under the skin.

you think a fresh water dip will take it off if it is underneath?

Ikm going to wait one more day and if theres still no change for better or worse i can do a FW dip.... very frustrating catching him....

Oh.. if it was a pod attached, wouldent i see more eventually, or it would spread to the female?

 

[Amphiprion]

Lymphocystis also usually first appears in the extremities, so that may not be the case. I tend to support what MarinaP says, in that when there was a lapse in water quality, such as overheating or an anemone spawn, they would begin to appear. A few weeks (or longer) later, they just disappeared. Sometimes, though, they would appear for no reason (at least not one that could be found) and eventually go away.

 

[TOURKID]

ok. theres two white bumps now. and when i looked at my female i SWEAR there was somthing white on her head, but she rubbed it on the nem and it was gone.

lil dude still is acting normal as can be.

so im asking... if i was to qt them what should i treat them with??

maracyn 2 was my first thought... but if this is a parasite.. should i use copper? or both?

or... a fresh water dip and just reg. qt with no meds afterwards?

somthing def. going on. but i cant find anything!!!

fins and body look 100% except these two raised pimple like bumps

 

[Ciarán]

I agree with MarinaP regarding the cauliflower appearance of Lymphocystis, i believe it is viral (I stand to be corrected on that one) and definitely induced by sub-optimal water conditions, i have read Lympho does not occur naturally in the wild but it in itself isnt that serious, though i reckon it could weaken the immune system to allow the onset of more threatening pathogens.

Regarding the spot(s) are they close together or widely spaced? My Ocellaris clown went through a stage of pigment change - for the want of a better description - where his colouration shifted from bright orange to a dusky black/brown in the space of a week or two, within another week it had returned to the regular colour. Water parameters were stable and favourable for the whole period, nutrition was the same over the whole span and he was healthy and fat! Just seemed to be a growth phase (I've had him since he was only 1/2"). Could be something similar with you. No harm to give him a FW dip with some methylene blue solution to make sure that: A. Protozoans and or bacteria are osmotically exterminated! and B. to use the anti-bacterial properties of Methylene to make doubly sure all traces of encysted growth are eliminated.

 

[TOURKID]

well i have my fresh water dip ready.
I caught him once and he bailed out of the container, so im waiting an hour.. lights are off.

The bumps.. they are spaced extreamly close together.
are the same size
the white is raised, but skin around them is raised a bit as well
what prompted the FW dip was i think/thought i saw somthing developing on his head. light went off right after so i cant be sure. But i felt I need to try somthing. If the bath doesent work I have to assume its on the inside of the skin coming out.

This fish I had since a lil under an inch. it was QT'ed for 6 weeks and has been in the reef at least a month.
It was treated with formilin and some meds for internal parasites.

I have brought in a few corals since he was added and I dident QT the corals... snails were brought in the tank as well.. (never do this agian)
His color is changing naturally a LITTLE bit.. hes still bright red, but the stripe nearest his head has a milky yellow color now, and the other two stripes are still white.

I dont have any methane blue right now.. Im (REALLY) hoping to catch him tonight and do a fw dip. I suppose if they fall off, Ill QT both fish until whatever it is has enough time to die in the tank.... Im def. thinking more parasite than tumors and cysts and junk ive been reading about.

Wish me luck. thanks for the posts. Ill update after I sucessfully catch him.. *have a feeling that nem is going to have it out with me tonight*

 

[TOURKID]

forgot i tried to get some more pics today. clarity is awful, but hes quick and jiggles alot

 

[Amphiprion]

Yeah, it is a bit difficult to make out. I am not sure if you and I are talking about the same thing (but I still can't be sure). Any way to keep trying with the pics 'til you get a clearer one?

 

[TOURKID]

its behind his fin. between the first stripe and second stripe.. directly in the middle. it might look like dirty glass or a bubble or somthing but thats the mark

note to self... fish are alot smarter than i give em credit for... buggers been behind the nem for over an hour now. very frustrating