Amphiprion
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I see what you mean, but it only amounts to a hazy yellowish spot. They are tricky and smart. They always know when you are trying to take a picture of them.
my clown has a pimple.. or somthing. any ideas please? *stressed*
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Amphiprion
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I suppose that is very similar to what I was describing--can't give you any more info than I already have, though.
TOURKID
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well.. i was completely unsatisfied with what i was personally doing (nothing) and that no one really had the same thing.. so i dug into my e mail well and pulled up a good one. I just figured id post the conclusion since maybe down the line there will be another person with this issue.
so anyways... dermatic cysts.... and heres the advice ive been given. Im going to start with internal since after lastnights stressful fw dip i dont want to pull him out agian just yet.
quote: "This is a rare situation, but it does happen. Sort of like when you get bitten by a leopard you begin seeing spots everywhere only the reverse. . .People see these spots and assume Marine Ich.
You've properly (IMHO) ruled out a variety of possible disagnostics, but I could have probably answered your original post with those photos.
The fish probably has one of the generically referred to group of organisms known as dermatic cysts. They are not well known, but often create the visual you see on the fish. Others may refer to them as 'worms' or protozoa, or fungi.
Since little is known about these there are two approaches. One you're currently taking (do nothiing but watch). The other is to attempt to kill these organisms. How to kill them is not clear without a proper identification. Even with a proper identification, little is known about these microbes on ornamental fishes. All this doesn't do you any good.
Any treatment will be just a guees. But you can classify the treatments into two groups -- internal and external.
I would try an external treatment of organophosphates. Such meds like trichlorfon & Dylox. If that didn't work, I'd move on to formalin dips (but have little confidence the dips will help).
Internally, I would try a 'de-worming' broad spectrum agent made to be eaten. There is a commercially prepared anti-parasitic pellet food available. It is made by Jungle. The active ingredients in this food are levamisole, metrodinazole, and praziquantel.
Other than the above, and making sure the fish is getting all the nutrients it needs (check out the above mentioned Forum for a sticky I put there on feeding fish -- it's a better written post regarding that topic than the one I posted in RC), that is about all I can think to do"
just somthing to chew on
I honestly seem to be plaged by unhealthy fish. I havent lost one. but my medicine closet is getting pretty darn big.
so anyways... dermatic cysts.... and heres the advice ive been given. Im going to start with internal since after lastnights stressful fw dip i dont want to pull him out agian just yet.
quote: "This is a rare situation, but it does happen. Sort of like when you get bitten by a leopard you begin seeing spots everywhere only the reverse. . .People see these spots and assume Marine Ich.
You've properly (IMHO) ruled out a variety of possible disagnostics, but I could have probably answered your original post with those photos.
The fish probably has one of the generically referred to group of organisms known as dermatic cysts. They are not well known, but often create the visual you see on the fish. Others may refer to them as 'worms' or protozoa, or fungi.
Since little is known about these there are two approaches. One you're currently taking (do nothiing but watch). The other is to attempt to kill these organisms. How to kill them is not clear without a proper identification. Even with a proper identification, little is known about these microbes on ornamental fishes. All this doesn't do you any good.
Any treatment will be just a guees. But you can classify the treatments into two groups -- internal and external.
I would try an external treatment of organophosphates. Such meds like trichlorfon & Dylox. If that didn't work, I'd move on to formalin dips (but have little confidence the dips will help).
Internally, I would try a 'de-worming' broad spectrum agent made to be eaten. There is a commercially prepared anti-parasitic pellet food available. It is made by Jungle. The active ingredients in this food are levamisole, metrodinazole, and praziquantel.
Other than the above, and making sure the fish is getting all the nutrients it needs (check out the above mentioned Forum for a sticky I put there on feeding fish -- it's a better written post regarding that topic than the one I posted in RC), that is about all I can think to do"
just somthing to chew on
I honestly seem to be plaged by unhealthy fish. I havent lost one. but my medicine closet is getting pretty darn big.
Amphiprion
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Hmm...dermatic cysts--those really are pimples. So who did you end up asking? I am glad he/she knew what they were. Honestly, as I said before, I have never really done anything for them. But if there is a way to get rid of them, then by all means, try it out.
TOURKID
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Im going to start out with the internal meds, since i already have them, and I wont have to QT him right now. (he delt with alot of stress lastnight)
I asked leebeca, she used to be my go to girl in the fish disease forum but she doesent hangout there anymore. shes saved my fish a few times!! shes def. a specialist.
Yep.... pimples
I just feel alot better knowing what Im dealing with. Im one of those people that cant rest when im not satisfied, or dident give it my 100% effort.
I asked leebeca, she used to be my go to girl in the fish disease forum but she doesent hangout there anymore. shes saved my fish a few times!! shes def. a specialist.
Yep.... pimples
I just feel alot better knowing what Im dealing with. Im one of those people that cant rest when im not satisfied, or dident give it my 100% effort.
Ciarán
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You have just listed 3 different Kingdoms, Animalae, Protista and Fungi! What exactly are these dermatic cysts? Obviously they are some form of entrenched parasite but are they a worm, a protozoan or is it a fungal thing. It seems more likely to be one of the first two. Its really intriguing! I have never heard of this before, unless ita a protozoan thing. Keep us posted. Best of luck!!
TOURKID
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ciaran.. it was a microbiologist that wrote that, and from what i got from it, she was saying that most people clasify it under those catogories when it isent.. lemme look.
"The fish probably has one of the generically referred to group of organisms known as dermatic cysts. They are not well known, but often create the visual you see on the fish. Others may refer to them as 'worms' or protozoa, or fungi."
I have a hard time absorbing and understanding information, but im alright at following directions.
his bumps arent looking any worse today. hes still doing excellent and acting normal. i fed him some prazaquil and marazol today.. ill keep it up a week, then qt for external if needed. im going to have to order the meds
"The fish probably has one of the generically referred to group of organisms known as dermatic cysts. They are not well known, but often create the visual you see on the fish. Others may refer to them as 'worms' or protozoa, or fungi."
I have a hard time absorbing and understanding information, but im alright at following directions.
his bumps arent looking any worse today. hes still doing excellent and acting normal. i fed him some prazaquil and marazol today.. ill keep it up a week, then qt for external if needed. im going to have to order the meds
Amphiprion
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I think that what the microbiologist was referring to was that these symptoms can be potentially caused by any of these organisms. Obviously, treatment would be different for each, which is why you would be treating with such a wide variety of medications.
Amphiprion
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You should see how the vet looks at you about some of them. You know when they ask for photographic proof that you aren't misusing them (and hypodermic needles), lol.
TourKid, y'know, just as an outre chance, it is not outside all possibility that the little guy has been unfaithful to his 'nem and is getting stung by something else he's been courting. I've seen fish get hit on the same exact spot over and over because their approach is identical.
TOURKID
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well, ive been treating him with internal parasite medicine for 2 days now.
his attitude is still the same, doesent even notice. and his health would seem to be 100%
his 2 pimples are still there. but barely. they seem to be shrinking.
thank you for asking
weirder though, i found a shrimp molt this morning... and its to big to be mysis, and to small to be a peppermint or anything. its really got me courious!!!
his attitude is still the same, doesent even notice. and his health would seem to be 100%
his 2 pimples are still there. but barely. they seem to be shrinking.
thank you for asking
weirder though, i found a shrimp molt this morning... and its to big to be mysis, and to small to be a peppermint or anything. its really got me courious!!!
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