My fault for not Qting, but no excuses for shipping sick fish!

[jmaneyapanda]

aoebombcat- I just bought a car, and drove out of the lot and smashed it into a telephone pole. Man, those jerks at the dealership sold me a defective car! Its all their fault.

Puh-leez. You accusations and claims are absurd. Im glad Dr. Foster told you to bugger off. You got your money back, now you'll have to buy your fish somewhere else. Good riddance.

 

[pugbreath13]

Dr. Foster....you are the man! All my orders from you in the past have been excellent. One fish loss ever and my account was credited. I have been ordering from you for over 6 years/5 tanks and will be again in the next few weeks to fill up my new 70G.

 

[ryshark]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15293541#post15293541 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmaneyapanda
aoebombcat- I just bought a car, and drove out of the lot and smashed it into a telephone pole. Man, those jerks at the dealership sold me a defective car! Its all their fault.

Thats not a very good analogy.

 

[jmaneyapanda]

I think it ABSOLUTELY is. The more than assuredly cause of any health issues with the fish was with the recipient. As explained, no otehr customers had the epidemic that he did, and coincidentally, ALL the fish he ordered had a malady which appeared only after arrival, and introduction into the display.

Taking a, by all appearances, healthy group of fish, placing them in a common area, and having them all afflicted, and then blaming the source. IMO, user error which he is blaming on the supplier. Nonsense.

 

[jmaneyapanda]

I think it ABSOLUTELY is. The more than assuredly cause of any health issues with the fish was with the recipient. As explained, no otehr customers had the epidemic that he did, and coincidentally, ALL the fish he ordered had a malady which appeared only after arrival, and introduction into the display.

Taking a, by all appearances, healthy group of fish, placing them in a common area, and having them all afflicted, and then blaming the source. IMO, user error which he is blaming on the supplier. Nonsense.

 

[Ralph ATL]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15294751#post15294751 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ryshark
Thats not a very good analogy.

actually, close enough! When I read this thread yesterday, it got me kinda sick at the lack of personal responsibility here. Just ludicrous. At some point, individuals must accept responsibility.
Ralph

.........................and I just ordered a Med Male Halichoeres melanurus that will be arriving by 10:30 am tomorrow! Sweet!
These guys (& gals) are the best in the business, period.

 

[aoeBombcat]

Jmaneyapanda, If you think I lie, so be it. Yes I do agree that I am responsible for not Qting the new fish. But how do you explain my DT disease free for 2 years and the only fish I got was from L.A.

I didn't only add all 3 fish to my display tank. The Multi-color was in a 20 Long QT, it didn't make it to the DT. I only added the bigger fishes to the DT. Remember I ordered 13 fishes. And if you noticed that not all 13 fishes has the symptoms. Not all 3 fish has the same diseases. Not all 13 fishes is sick. Some might be infested afterward. And more then 1/2 of the fish are still in the display tank with no issues. How do you explain those? If I am really going for free fishes. Wouldn't it be better for me to order 2 or 3 fishes and just call them and ask for refund because of dead fish? Or wouldn't I be asking for refunds of all 13 fishes? I didn't. It was Dr. Foster who offered the refund of all the sick fishes and their shipping. Not for all 13 fishes. I might sound like an idiot and mean about the issue, but think about this. Who will really be benefiting from it. I might be the only extreme case. But how many did actually called in and ask for refund of sick/dead fish?

I don't mind being call a lair since I know for a fact that I am not.

To answer your statement, healthy by appearances does that mean the fish is not sick? Fish with fluke can appear healthy. Fish with early Internal infections can appear healthy. Fish with Ick can appear healthy.

A car with a minor brake line leakage can appear perfect.
A car with transmission issue can appear perfect.
A car with engine issue can appear perfect.

So from now on, if any one wants to call me a liar, so be it. I think this issue is closed. And I do believe L.A. does sell top quality fishes. I have a few of them. Its just happened to my orders, boxes were dropped maybe that caused more stress on the fishes.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15296343#post15296343 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmaneyapanda
I think it ABSOLUTELY is. The more than assuredly cause of any health issues with the fish was with the recipient. As explained, no otehr customers had the epidemic that he did, and coincidentally, ALL the fish he ordered had a malady which appeared only after arrival, and introduction into the display.

Taking a, by all appearances, healthy group of fish, placing them in a common area, and having them all afflicted, and then blaming the source. IMO, user error which he is blaming on the supplier. Nonsense.

 

[1mbrews8]

fishes? )

 

[Ralph ATL]

unless I'm a lfs, or the GA Aquarium, adding 13 fish in such a short period of time is ...................................(add your own adjective), and what you did to your bio load, acclimation, species placement, species compatibility,.............and on, and on, and on.................................just totally self inflicting.

never mind watching each individual for behaviors.....................................as I said before.......ludicris.

trashing THE best place to get livestock due to your ignorance, well, ...............................(fill in the blank please).

Ralph

 

[Superstretch18]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15301321#post15301321 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 1mbrews8
fishes? )

The plural of "fish" can be either "fish" or "fishes." Either is correct.

Back on topic, if the fish in question looked healthy when you received it, then I'm not sure how the seller would have thought differently. Stress from transport could have caused a non issue to develop into a full blown outbreak.

Regardless, if you are dealing with livestock, you will eventually deal with disease. No matter who you buy from, no one in a selling environment can eliminate disease 100% of the time. To expect otherwise is unrealistic...

FWIW, it's really a pet peeve of mine when people have an issue with a company and their first reaction is to post on a forum. Give them an opportunity to correct or at least address the issue before dragging them through the mud.

Five stars for Liveaquaria in dealing with this issue that really was beyond their control...

 

[aoeBombcat]

I think I do own Drs F. & S. and L.A. an apology for coming up here and posting the whole situation before giving them a chance to correct the issue. But I was totally stressed, my brain was not functioning correctly. If you were here to see me at home at the time, you will be able to see how stressful and upset I was. I have calm down a lot more and started to rethink the issue. I have always said I am being stupid for not QTing the fish and I have accepted my stupidity and are currently dealing with issue. I have picked up a couple of QT and torn down the DT and started to treat all the fish regardless of it being sick or not.

Drs. F. & S. and L.A. is top 5 star company to buy from no questions about it. And I am sure my issue is one in a million due to a number of factors including myself not QTing the fish.

Drs. F. & S. and L.A. please continue your great job and I am sure there will be no other place to match your level of service.

 

[huskerreef]

Wow, talk about a quick change of heart. Thats the bad part of forums and emails, you can say whatever you want with little or no concern for the other party. To not call personally when asked is cowardess and hiding behind the computer is an easy way to say things in a way you would never say face to face. I have spent considerably more than you with these guys, have I lost a fish along the way, yes. But overall quality is A+. I have ordered some very pricey fish from them and other online sources, you can tell they know the difference and the additional care in shipping a fish that costs over $1000. Liveaquaria is a first rate supplier.

 

[jmaneyapanda]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15322028#post15322028 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by huskerreef
Wow, talk about a quick change of heart. Thats the bad part of forums and emails, you can say whatever you want with little or no concern for the other party. To not call personally when asked is cowardess and hiding behind the computer is an easy way to say things in a way you would never say face to face. I have spent considerably more than you with these guys, have I lost a fish along the way, yes. But overall quality is A+. I have ordered some very pricey fish from them and other online sources, you can tell they know the difference and the additional care in shipping a fish that costs over $1000. Liveaquaria is a first rate supplier.

Agreed. Do I think they are at fault- absolutely not. But you do. Fine, I dont absolutely know (nor do I care). I am just irritated that your response was to immediate post a "hate thread" about it. That is irresponsible. Knee jerk reactions?! You ahve like 3 or 4 other therads on the same shipment! You HAVE burnt your bridges with them apparently, as the owner of the company has told you to shop elsewhere. Good for him, and good for us.

PS- If a car has a faulty brakeline, transmission, or engine, it can be determined empirically. If these fish had these ailments BEFORE you crammed them into your tank without QT, this cannot. And ALL other evidence leads to the fact that the fault is yours. But, thats neither here nor there. Good luck to you.

 

[ediaz]

If God himself shows up in my fish room, makes a fish right in front of my eyes...Ill still put it in QT for 2 months.

just my 1 cent, sorry hard times...

E

 

[coral_lagoon]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15351727#post15351727 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
If God himself shows up in my fish room, makes a fish right in front of my eyes...Ill still put it in QT for 2 months.

just my 1 cent, sorry hard times...

E

A freshwater dip with Methlyne blue can do wonders..

 

[LargeAngels]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15352054#post15352054 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by coral_lagoon
A freshwater dip with Methlyne blue can do wonders..

Unfortunately that only works on some things and even then it is only a temporary relief.

 

[rmougey]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15351727#post15351727 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ediaz
If God himself shows up in my fish room, makes a fish right in front of my eyes...Ill still put it in QT for 2 months.

just my 1 cent, sorry hard times...

E

That's excellent!!

-Rob

 

[PaxRoma]

in my opinion, QT does not cure or eliminate any disease. A properly QT fish does introduce the infective organism, however at a quantity very low that will hopefully not enough to cause an outbreak.
For example, if you put a new fish in the main tank, the fish immune system is under stress and the bad bugs now multiply by the billions and so now you introduce billions of these bugs in your tank.
If you QT the fish, the immune system is still under stress and the bugs still multiply by the billions until you treat the fish or its immune system successfully overcome the bugs and brings the number down to very low. Now you introduce the fish to the main tank, it will still carry these bugs to the main tank, but not enough to cause an outbreak in the main tank.

*disclaimer: This is my deduction from what I know about human bugs. Following these advices does not guarantee your fish from getting fish AIDS, fish Ebola, fish Flu, fish cancer. Consult your fish doc for more information.