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einsteins
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wouldnt Prodibio Trace work as a trace element that is ment to be used with the other products mentioned here?
Why would a person use nightsun or any other trace elements over the Prodibio trace if they are already using Biodigest, ptim and reefbooster?
just wondering?
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einsteins
wouldnt Prodibio Trace work as a trace element that is ment to be used with the other products mentioned here?
Why would a person use nightsun or any other trace elements over the Prodibio trace if they are already using Biodigest, ptim and reefbooster?
just wondering?
Thanks
einsteins
Please do not mix up the facts!
Bioptim contains carbon sources and trace elements. However, the trace elements are designed for the needs and the consumption of the bacteria. Bioptim is a bacterium food and not trace elements for corals!
BioDigest=Bacteria.
ReefBooster is a food source for corals, clams and other filtering life forms. The product delivers amino acids, vitamins and Omega3 fatty acids.
THESE PRODUCTS FORM A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF MY SYSTEM.
I have not given any trace elements for my corals for a long time. The trace elements known to me have not any positive effects to my corals and the tissue becomes darker after a while. These were my observations.
I have enclosed new trace elements with my corals with the water change....Then a did try a new kind of trace elements!
The elements of Nightsun support my system. It's not a replacement for the Prodibio products.
Bioptim delivers trace elements for the bacteria.
Nightsun delivers trace elements for the corals.
einsteins
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Iwan
I understand what you are saying...
I saw an additional product made by Prodibio called "Trace" this is what I assumed were the trace elements you spoke of for the corals and I was asking why no one was using that Prodibio Trace element product instead of using a different manufacturers trace element product. here is a link to the one I was asking about.... http://www.robsreef.com/Merchant2/m...de=RR&Product_Code=pbtrace&Category_Code=Prod
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einsteins
I understand what you are saying...
I saw an additional product made by Prodibio called "Trace" this is what I assumed were the trace elements you spoke of for the corals and I was asking why no one was using that Prodibio Trace element product instead of using a different manufacturers trace element product. here is a link to the one I was asking about.... http://www.robsreef.com/Merchant2/m...de=RR&Product_Code=pbtrace&Category_Code=Prod
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einsteins
the first BIO TRACE was for both fresh and salt water .
Then it was improved by adding several ingredients .
As the ionic composition of the salt water is higher than the fresh Prodibio have created 2 new products BIO TRACE still for fresh and BIOPTIM for salt and have add more ingredients in the BIOPTIM.
You can certainly use the BIO TRACE ALSO FOR SALT WATER.
BIOPTIM is more efficient than BIOTRACE
Then it was improved by adding several ingredients .
As the ionic composition of the salt water is higher than the fresh Prodibio have created 2 new products BIO TRACE still for fresh and BIOPTIM for salt and have add more ingredients in the BIOPTIM.
You can certainly use the BIO TRACE ALSO FOR SALT WATER.
BIOPTIM is more efficient than BIOTRACE
TryTheChi
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6964856#post6964856 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Travis
Simon, thanks for clearing that up about the Nightsun line. It sounds very similar to the ZEO non-basic 4 stuff but much much cheaper.
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Hi Travis
I'm not sure Nightsun it is a replacement for all the non ZB4 zeo additives. Definately not those that act as coral food rather than enabling coral food uptake.
CV AAHC Start 2 and Spur 2 are not covered by Nightsun - I'm almost sure, but PSG, PIF, KB M elements, Iron are covered by NIghtsun whether in the same ratios I dont know either- and Nightsun has more elements than those declaired for the zeo elements.
I think its therefore a question of feeling ones way forward gradually observing impact. I'v stopped all zeo now except CV and AAHC and a smidgin of start 2 daily, to see what happens with Nightsun - then I'll reintroduce PSG PIF and KB gradually to test out impact.
I'm tempted to say what Iv observed after 1 dose of Nightsun - but it cant be true.... must be an illusion.:spin2: ....its too soon - only one day.....wheres the camera?
Cheers
Simon
h20cooled
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So, if Bioptim is trace elements for the bacteria, what would be good for the coral trace elements then? That nightsun is not available in the US and its quite expensive and shipping it to the US would be even more. I looked at the polyp lab products but I'm not sure they have the coral trace elements. How about zeozit do they have something?
Rich
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TryTheChi
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Hi Paul
Sorry, I dont know the biochemestry if which AAs bacs use and which sps use and if they are shared. You can check if corals are benefiting by observing PE and growth rates by dosing or not dosing the AAHC for periods of time. Just make sure that is the only variable changed when doing the test. It takes time for sps to respond so you might wish to give it 2-3 weeks of just that variable.
Cheers
Simon
TryTheChi
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Hi Rich
Polyplab do not mention trace elements.
In general - the major and minor elements will be used up in different ratios, hense the recomendations for decent water changes with a good salt mix. Seachem reef has had very good reports on RC and elsewhere as the nearest to NSW.
Of the major elements - calcium should be delivered by your CA reactor or 2 part dosing.
Magnesium can be delivered in a number of ways.
Randy over on the chemestry forum has just done a feature on cheap and effective DIY balling method to cover these;
Potassium (Kalium) cannot be tested by hobbyists but is available in K Ballance from Zeo - potentiated by the use of PIF - which also covers one of the minors - Idoide.
Strontium can be covered if you are using Aragonite in your CA reactor and is tested using a salifert kit. Str can be supplemented using the Prodi ampluse, seachem STR Advantage or a number of other product lines. Powers are usually cheaper than liquids.
Of the minors.
Molyjjjhjjjhgdium - unpronouncable
- is available from a few companies including KentIron from Zeo vit and others
Zinc from others
etc etc.
Idoine/dide - zeo plus many others but needs testing to ensure no OD a it is a very strong oxidiser.
Zeo do a Micro elements aditive which is supposed to cover many of the minors.
I have read many good reports about the seachem range of trace elemnts and Sally-Jo from GARF rates them highly - v nice tanks they have.
With the minors I would hang back until you are well established in a probiotic low nutrient environment and in the meantime go with a salt mix that is rated as ballanced. There is a superb analysis elsewhere on RC to help the choice.
Also in choosing which company to buy from for minor trace element suplementation - the amount of time and effort they put into monitoring depletion rates in well stocked sps tanks is important beacuse that will influence the make up of suplements combinations.
HTH
Simon
Stormtrker
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TryTheChi, what is the difference between ZeoStart 2 and ZeoSpur 2? I notice you use both along with the Prodibio products. I have ordered the Prodibio and trying to decide which Zeo products to order. Should I just start out with the Prodibio then add Zeo later? This is for a 75G mixed reef, 8mo old with DSB and 150# LR.
Carla
Carla
Zeostart2 is a carbon source. I have used this product as an addition to my Prodibio products. Since some months I do not use Zeostart2 anymore.
ZEOSPUR2 reduces the amount of the symbiosis algaes of the corals. It is a very effective but also very dangerous product. Used wrongly it destroys the complete coral stock within few hours. I do not want to spread panic but I know some tanks these were spoiled by a wrong application of this product.
This product should be used only by very experienced corals specialists. This product should be used only if ALL water parameters are in the perfect range.
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