My journey using Chloroquine Phosphate begins...
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Randyp79
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I think he is asking if CP (chloroquine phosphate) will work on flukes, not cephalexin. Anyway, some have said that it does kill flukes too.
I'd love to get alprazo's take on this (hint hint if you're out there). If true, it would make CP an all-in-one medication. Barring any complications from, say, a bacterial infection.
The earlier post are correct. I am not aware of any anti parasitic activity from the cephalosporins. Metronidazole on the other hand does have activity on both but I doubt flukes.
I have seen posts and companies advertising chloroquine's use as an anti-fluke med. I have not noticed activity against them and always treat with praziquantil. It is reported to have antiviral activity, not sure if would help with lymphocytosis.
I have seen posts and companies advertising chloroquine's use as an anti-fluke med. I have not noticed activity against them and always treat with praziquantil. It is reported to have antiviral activity, not sure if would help with lymphocytosis.
I have used CP with great success in treating cryptocaryon irritans and marine oodinium, both in QT and DT, both dosed at 1 gram per 25 gallons of seawater, measured with a digital scale. In DT, I removed all coral and treated tank with LR/sand left in with fish, then did 90% WC and then ran UV/Carbon, no residual problems whatsoever after placing coral back in a few weeks later. I waited until I could see algae growing in the tank before adding the corals back in.
When I began using CP a few years ago I re dosed it weekly and noticed fish would stop eating. I now rarely re dose unless fish are still visibly infected. It seems to work at lower than recommended doses as well.
CP will kill invertebrates and all types of algae but has no effect on biological filter. I've also found it effective when fish are just not doing well and no obvious diagnosis is evident. It has been a wonder drug for my use.
Copper is toxic to humans, is a necessary element for vascular neogenesis which is how most cancers spread, so using CP instead is advantageous that way.
My QT systems run continuously with or without fish in them, so I run CP in them to keep them algae free, nice side effect
CP has anti protozoa and anti viral properties
When I began using CP a few years ago I re dosed it weekly and noticed fish would stop eating. I now rarely re dose unless fish are still visibly infected. It seems to work at lower than recommended doses as well.
CP will kill invertebrates and all types of algae but has no effect on biological filter. I've also found it effective when fish are just not doing well and no obvious diagnosis is evident. It has been a wonder drug for my use.
Copper is toxic to humans, is a necessary element for vascular neogenesis which is how most cancers spread, so using CP instead is advantageous that way.
My QT systems run continuously with or without fish in them, so I run CP in them to keep them algae free, nice side effect
CP has anti protozoa and anti viral properties
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Psionicdragon
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So I have been following this thread very closely because I always seem to have ick issues 
Just to make sure, its dose once and forget o redose multiple time?
Just to make sure, its dose once and forget o redose multiple time?
Randyp79
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Update:
Well, I still have the yellow tang and the two purple firefish in QT, and I have come to the conclusion that the symptoms I saw in the yellow tang, that I thought were representative of septicemia, were probably due to ammonia poisoning. I think I compounded the ammonia problem by dosing cephalexin, which further inhibited the bio-filter. I am starting to think that the original source of my ammonia problem was the CP, which somehow impaired my bio-filter. Has anyone ever had CP adversely affect their bio-filter?
As for the two clowns my DT, I started feeding pellets that I soaked in CP, dried, and then soaked in Selcon. They eat them very well and I have not seen any signs of them flashing or scratching in about a week. I am going to continue feeding the CP food for another 4-6 weeks. I think that should be enough time to eradicate any ich that is still in the DT. Also, I think I read somewhere that CP has a relatively long half-life in fish and should offer residual protection for the fish after treatment ends.
Anyway, I am hesitant to try CP again after the way the yellow tang responded to the first treatment. He is doing much better now and is just starting to eat again. I need some encouragement to give CP another shot. My only hypothesis is that the QT had a lot of algae in it and when it started to die because of the CP it caused an ammonia spike. I am hoping now that because there's no algae left in the QT that there won't be another ammonia spike. What do you guys think?
Well, I still have the yellow tang and the two purple firefish in QT, and I have come to the conclusion that the symptoms I saw in the yellow tang, that I thought were representative of septicemia, were probably due to ammonia poisoning. I think I compounded the ammonia problem by dosing cephalexin, which further inhibited the bio-filter. I am starting to think that the original source of my ammonia problem was the CP, which somehow impaired my bio-filter. Has anyone ever had CP adversely affect their bio-filter?
As for the two clowns my DT, I started feeding pellets that I soaked in CP, dried, and then soaked in Selcon. They eat them very well and I have not seen any signs of them flashing or scratching in about a week. I am going to continue feeding the CP food for another 4-6 weeks. I think that should be enough time to eradicate any ich that is still in the DT. Also, I think I read somewhere that CP has a relatively long half-life in fish and should offer residual protection for the fish after treatment ends.
Anyway, I am hesitant to try CP again after the way the yellow tang responded to the first treatment. He is doing much better now and is just starting to eat again. I need some encouragement to give CP another shot. My only hypothesis is that the QT had a lot of algae in it and when it started to die because of the CP it caused an ammonia spike. I am hoping now that because there's no algae left in the QT that there won't be another ammonia spike. What do you guys think?
I think it's likely from the algae die off from CP and not the biological filter. I have used CP for years and never noticed a problem with the biological filter. The only significant problem I've observed is decreased appetite from repetitive treatments. Now I only dose once unless what I'm treating persists.
gsiegel
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Rather than 1st dose the tank with CP first, has anyone considered feeding Dr. G's medicated food which has CP in it? I am not sure of how much is in it but it would seem to be a good way to get directly into the fishes' systoms. (disclaimer - I do not work for and am not affiliated w/Dr. G's... 
Has anyone tried this? Results?
Has anyone tried this? Results?
Newsmyrna80
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Rather than 1st dose the tank with CP first, has anyone considered feeding Dr. G's medicated food which has CP in it? I am not sure of how much is in it but it would seem to be a good way to get directly into the fishes' systoms. (disclaimer - I do not work for and am not affiliated w/Dr. G's...
Has anyone tried this? Results?
I tried the food but ended up dosing with CP anyway. I mixed the food with mysis just because they wouldn't eat it straight.
08WingRider
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CP treatment for ich
CP treatment for ich
This is one of the best threads I've read on CP. I have ich in my 210FOWLR. SO While I was waiting for my CP to come in, I tried kick-ich and ParaGaurd and also soaking in Garlic. The infestation was fast and I lost my emperor angel and a banner fish. I was following directions on the container (Thomas Labs). Here is what I've done to date.
Day 1: did 20%wc, added 40mg/gallon (lights on, UV and PS off, carbon removed)
Day 2: did 20%wc, added 40mg/gallon (light on...etc same)
Day 3: added 40mg/gallon (lights off.....etc off)
Late on Day 3, found this thread and have just finished reading all of it.
After reading, no more doses, light (led strips) stay off. I did see ammonia alert badge change slightly, so have been adding microbacter7. I can report that as of last night (I was dosing..etc at 9pm), fish still had ich (lots of white spots on clown trigger and Niger trigger). The Niger trigger isn't eating at all and looks horrible. All other are eating: sweet lip grouper, lion fish, yellow tail coris wrasse, humu trigger, rabbit fish and Koran angel. I will continue to provide feedback as this post should not go dormant.
CP treatment for ich
This is one of the best threads I've read on CP. I have ich in my 210FOWLR. SO While I was waiting for my CP to come in, I tried kick-ich and ParaGaurd and also soaking in Garlic. The infestation was fast and I lost my emperor angel and a banner fish. I was following directions on the container (Thomas Labs). Here is what I've done to date.
Day 1: did 20%wc, added 40mg/gallon (lights on, UV and PS off, carbon removed)
Day 2: did 20%wc, added 40mg/gallon (light on...etc same)
Day 3: added 40mg/gallon (lights off.....etc off)
Late on Day 3, found this thread and have just finished reading all of it.
After reading, no more doses, light (led strips) stay off. I did see ammonia alert badge change slightly, so have been adding microbacter7. I can report that as of last night (I was dosing..etc at 9pm), fish still had ich (lots of white spots on clown trigger and Niger trigger). The Niger trigger isn't eating at all and looks horrible. All other are eating: sweet lip grouper, lion fish, yellow tail coris wrasse, humu trigger, rabbit fish and Koran angel. I will continue to provide feedback as this post should not go dormant.
08WingRider
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I would also like to report cloudiness of water.
Question: is lights out a requirement if I am running ecoxotic stunner led strips (blue and white and magenta). It's a FOWLR tank. Also, I was running Ecobak pellets in a reactor for NO3, but have heard this might also battle phosphate, so turned that off this morning.
Thanks
Question: is lights out a requirement if I am running ecoxotic stunner led strips (blue and white and magenta). It's a FOWLR tank. Also, I was running Ecobak pellets in a reactor for NO3, but have heard this might also battle phosphate, so turned that off this morning.
Thanks
The water cloudiness is probably just due to the binder; my QT is cloudy 24/7 when I use CP and the fish seem just fine with it. I wouldn't run any lights whatsoever, as that is one of the few things (along with a UV) that will break CP down.
Anim8me2
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Rather than 1st dose the tank with CP first, has anyone considered feeding Dr. G's medicated food which has CP in it? I am not sure of how much is in it but it would seem to be a good way to get directly into the fishes' systoms. (disclaimer - I do not work for and am not affiliated w/Dr. G's...
Has anyone tried this? Results?
The fish generally will not eat it. The CP apparently effects the flavor enough to have my fish prefer starvation to eating.
08WingRider
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I have been adding a pinch to let the food soak in and they have been eating it. Almost done with 3 full days of treatment and no signs of improvement. Now, day one and two could have been impacted by the fact the lights were on normal cycle, even though they are not MH but just led strips. I will leave as is following the "one and done" dosing theory.
jsjonesrdh
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It is uv light that is a concern. Indirect ambient light from the room is ok. You still need to be able to see the fish and the fish needs to see to eat.
