b0bab0ey, I have been messing around a bit with quinine and I havd seen some interesting things. First off I completed the first week of the recommended 2 week treatments with a 25% water change on day 7. Like I said, none of the fish experienced any new spot. So I decided to add a new untreated fish to the tank to see if I still had any viable ich in the tank. The first two days no new white spots. Then on day three the new fish developed spots. This did not surprise me at all. Would seem that the ich did not completely die off after only one 7 day treatment. But after 6 days with the treatment the new fish has no new spots. So I am going to get a few more fish and try to do a controled study with them to see if my 75 gal will be clean after the time of treatment. I am now wondering how long the fish carry the quinine in their systems.
My journey using Chloroquine Phosphate begins...
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Ok, so I just lost my third wrasse while doing CP treatment. 2 Sixlines and now a Melanurus. Each death happened the exact same way: They stop eating as soon as CP is introduced and then apparently starve to death.
So, I'm thinking there is something about CP that acts as a major appetite suppressant in wrasses. I haven't had this problem with any other species that I've QT'd with CP.
Guess it's a good thing I didn't throw away all my bottles of copper. Because from now on, that's what all my wrasses will be getting.
So, I'm thinking there is something about CP that acts as a major appetite suppressant in wrasses. I haven't had this problem with any other species that I've QT'd with CP.
Guess it's a good thing I didn't throw away all my bottles of copper. Because from now on, that's what all my wrasses will be getting.
This is an interesting observation. As I think back, I lost 3 melanurus wrasses while treating them prophylacticly before adding to a display. My assumption was NH4 or illness, but after seeing bababoey's posts, the chloroquine is a consideration.
I do have a tusk fish that successfully went through a chloroquine treatment with no ill effects. Definitely something to kep in mind.
I do have a tusk fish that successfully went through a chloroquine treatment with no ill effects. Definitely something to kep in mind.
Interesting... Do you remember the dosage you used? I treat everything at 40 mg/gal.
JoshuaG
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Same dosage, I have the Goemans/Ichinotsubo book and followed their treatment plan. I treated tangs, clowns, butterfly's, dwarf angels, chromis, blenny and damsel and didn't see any change in appetite as well.
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holdyourlight
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I wanted to clear up a few discrepancies between what i read here and what i have been told by Dr. Fishman of Fishman chemical. The below quotes are from emails he has sent me regarding chloroquine phosphate.
The first two quotes conflict with everything i have read here. The third quote is just a fun factoid!
"For a 125 gallon tank you would need 1 and a half teaspoons every morning and if possible a 25% water change before each dosing. You MUST complete dosing cycle which is to dose for 10 straight days."
"No antibiotic or antiparasitic agent can be used only in 1 dosing. Just like antibiotics for humans or dogs you have to do a full regiment or treatment not to last less than 10 days."
"Big customers such as Seaworld buy 25 kilos 4 times a year for all three parks."
I also want to ask you guys how you store your CP? Mine is in a bag and has just been tied off with an bread tie. So not very air tight. It is about a year old. Would that be an issue?
The first two quotes conflict with everything i have read here. The third quote is just a fun factoid!
"For a 125 gallon tank you would need 1 and a half teaspoons every morning and if possible a 25% water change before each dosing. You MUST complete dosing cycle which is to dose for 10 straight days."
"No antibiotic or antiparasitic agent can be used only in 1 dosing. Just like antibiotics for humans or dogs you have to do a full regiment or treatment not to last less than 10 days."
"Big customers such as Seaworld buy 25 kilos 4 times a year for all three parks."
I also want to ask you guys how you store your CP? Mine is in a bag and has just been tied off with an bread tie. So not very air tight. It is about a year old. Would that be an issue?
The recommended dosage varies by source. Personally, I dose once at 40 mg/gal and leave the fish in the medication for 4 weeks. I've yet to see symptoms of any parasite after the fish has been treated. However, I am starting to notice that any fish which remains in the medication for longer than 4 weeks starts to act weird (erratic swimming almost like swim bladder). This has happened twice now. Both times the fish resumed normal behavior almost immediately after being put in the DT. I also don't think running carbon removes all of the CP. One treatment tank I purposely exposed to natural sunlight for weeks after running carbon. Instead of getting brown/green/red algae, the only thing that grew is this white slime stuff. So, if CP's algaecide properties are still active, one can only assume that at least some of the medication also remains active after running carbon.
Bob Goemans (see attachment below, last two paragraphs) suggests a much different approach. Lance Ichinotsubo recommends treating weekly at 10 ppm for 4 weeks:
http://www.saltcorner.com/Letters/showexchange.php?exchangeID=179
But then when Bob Fenner is asked about treating a DT "for 10 days with 40mg per gallon of Chloroquine Phosphate", he doesn't object to that dosage:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/quinmedfaqs.htm
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holdyourlight
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thanks for the info
Fishman also says that it is NOT light sensitive
Fishman also says that it is NOT light sensitive
holdyourlight
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So his treatment does a total of 190mg/gal ?!?!?!
JoshuaG
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Correct. I have 50G, dosed 1/8tsp twice a day for 3 days and am now doing 1/8tsp per day.
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holdyourlight
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gotcha. so 1/8 tsp = 1/4 gram??
and i thought before you were dosing @ the 40mg/gal recommended by everyone here. Just trying to figure out why that number has quadrupled. I have never heard of such a high dosage
JoshuaG
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Yes I dosed the 40mg/g on my main tank, this time I am trying the different dosage on my QT tank as recommended by Fishman. And my dosage numbers might be off as far as the 1/8tsp, I am trying to go by memory as I am at work right now, I'll double check when I get home. The 2 grams per 100 gallons twice a day for 3 days then 1 gram once a day for 7 additional days is a direct quote from Fishman tho.
holdyourlight
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Yeah that is right along there with the large amounts he recommended to me too.
Much more than is being recommended on this forum.
I'll be very interested to see how your fish do. Hopefully good!
JoshuaG
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So far they are doing great! No problems with the high dosage and both eating like champs
http://youtu.be/PCG_B0o9j1A
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holdyourlight
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They look great so far. Are you doing WC's at all?
JoshuaG
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Ok I got my numbers. 1 gram of CP is 1/4 tsp, it's actually like .23 tsp but I rounded it up just to make it easy.
So if going by Fishman's recommendation
1/2tsp per 100 gallons twice a day for 3 days.
1/4tsp per 100 gallons once a day for 7 days.
holdyourlight
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I just spoke with Fishman
He recommended 3 grams daily for 10 days on my 125 Gallon tank
This would give me 240mg/G overall (24mg/g per day)
All i can say is that the 40mg/gal has not worked for me in the past, but this new recommendation seems VERY excessive
I don't know what to do here, as i have a fish needing attention and need to start dosing today
He recommended 3 grams daily for 10 days on my 125 Gallon tank
This would give me 240mg/G overall (24mg/g per day)
All i can say is that the 40mg/gal has not worked for me in the past, but this new recommendation seems VERY excessive
I don't know what to do here, as i have a fish needing attention and need to start dosing today
