My journey using Chloroquine Phosphate begins...

Stuginski said:
Hi News...

Buddy I'm pretty sure that this thing affect the biological filtration because I'm dealing with a peak of ammonia a few days after dose it. I don't have any algae or live rock in my 150gal...just a huge amount of syporax ...and I never have seen a ammonia spike before....even when I fed agressively.
CP seems a good medication, after a weak my longnose is clean and none of the other fishes stopped eating but I'm pretty sure that this thing affected my bacteria.

Best regards and sorry for my terrible english

D.
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I spoke with Dr. Fishman at Fishman Chemicals this morning and queried as to CP causing disruption of the biological filtration. He told me in general CP does not affect it.
 
Well News. I don't know why, I respect the opinion of the others but deny that I'm facing a ammonia spike exactly after dosing CP I can't.
Maybe we are falling again in the same phrase: every tank is different.

I really believe that many people do it without any problem...but like some other folks..in my case...happened a ammonia spike.

Whatever, I liked CP, and for now...recommend it!

Best regards

D.
 
In my opinion if you don't dose it in a mature system, one that is up to speed on handling the waist of the fish in it then you are bound to get an ammonia spike. If you we're to dose it to a qt tank that was cycled with fish in it and a system without lots of algae in it I don't think you would see a spike. Hope that makes sense.
 
I just purchased from the noted Ebay seller. Bought 50 grams. I had a disease free tank until I introduced a new bunch of hermits. I got sloppy and only qt'd the hermits for 2 weeks instead of waiting 4-6 weeks. Lesson learned! Anyways, I am treating a Moorish Idol, PBT, African Kole Tang, clown, and a juvenile Watchman Goby in a 55g QT. My filters are AquaClear 70 and a AquaClear 110. I also have an additional sponge in the AC70 in an attempt to increase my bio filter. I received the CP yesterday from the Ebay seller. I did a 20g water change yesterday and dosed 2.2 grams this morning. I'll keep you guys posted on progress as I'm sure there are several people thinking about purchasing from this seller.

In regards to visible signs of parasites, my PBT was the first to develop cloudy patches on his pectoral fins. I watched closely and the fins would clear up only to come back several day later. After I noticed a couple of specs on his body and considering the timing of adding the hermits, I made the decision to trap everyone for treatment. I'd rather treat them early while they are all eating and overall healthy.
 
I'm so hoping that its not fake. I can't wait to hear how you make out. Are you keeping the salinity up or hypo? If you do hypo with the treatment it will be hard to tell cause usually in 2-3days hypo alone will get rid of the ick. The last reading I did buddy suggested keeping the salinity at regular levels. If salinity was up and ick went away we would know for sure we had a winner! Hopefully mine won't take too long to show up. I too bought 50 grams from him. I got him to change it so he now sells to Canada.
 
alprazo said:
I go 3-4 weeks. I do not redose and do not make water changes. Only top-off. I have used it in FOWLR before with great results. No change in dose. ".
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Ok I just scored some CP from Fishman Chemicals:) When I spoke to Dr Fishman he told me to put 1 750mg capsule in my 20 gallon QT every day for 10 days. He also said to to do a 1-2 gallon water change everyday prior to dosing. I'm a little worried cuz Alprazo said dose 40mg/gallon 1 time with no water changes and leave fish in for 3-4 weeks.

Does anybody have any words of wisdom?
 
cabinetman - I am keeping my sg at 1.020 for treatment. I have successfully treated fish using hypo, but maintaining pH was a bit of a challenge and from my experience, Moorish Idols can be pretty sensitive to pH swings.
 
Newsmyrna80 said:
Ok I just scored some CP from Fishman Chemicals:) When I spoke to Dr Fishman he told me to put 1 750mg capsule in my 20 gallon QT every day for 10 days. He also said to to do a 1-2 gallon water change everyday prior to dosing. I'm a little worried cuz Alprazo said dose 40mg/gallon 1 time with no water changes and leave fish in for 3-4 weeks.

Does anybody have any words of wisdom?
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I am going with the 40mg/g, once and done method. I rather start with the milder treatment first and go from there.
 
When I went down to check on my fish this morning, I noticed the food from yesterday was still swirling around the bottom of the tank. I siphoned out the waste and am preparing 10 gallons for a water change. All the fish look fine and are acting normal. I'm thinking they are not used to eating in the dark. When I turn the lights on, they seem too spooked to eat. This is a bit of a hurdle as Moorish Idols are finicky eaters as it is. So I'm wondering if I should turn the lights on for an hour in the mornings, offer them food, and then redose CP. a consern with this method is that redosing a 55g QT daily is going to eat up a lot of CP. I wish we had more info on the degree light degrades CPand if there were any other types of lighting that didn't have an adverse effect.
 
So using the 40 mg/g one time dose regiment, how may tsp's will I have to add to a 260 gallon system? About the light thing. I've read that it is sunlight or strong light like that which comes from MH that will degrade the qs. When I do my tank I'm going to keep it dimly lit. My thinking is it would be the uv that degrades it but I'm just guessing
 
I should've just figured this out. If my calculations are right I will need to dose 10.4 grams to my 260 gallons of water for the40 mg/g regiment. I should mention to that buddy on eBay seems very helpful. Even after I paid him and he marked my qs as shipped he sent me a lengthy email about using the stuff. Seems like a real decent down to earth guy. Hopefully it's not just flower!
 
I was thinking the same thing about UV being what degades CP, but IDK.
Does CP tend to take on moisture? If so, you might be weighing water as well as CP.
 
stcharles_stl said:
When I went down to check on my fish this morning, I noticed the food from yesterday was still swirling around the bottom of the tank. I siphoned out the waste and am preparing 10 gallons for a water change. All the fish look fine and are acting normal. I'm thinking they are not used to eating in the dark. When I turn the lights on, they seem too spooked to eat. This is a bit of a hurdle as Moorish Idols are finicky eaters as it is. So I'm wondering if I should turn the lights on for an hour in the mornings, offer them food, and then redose CP. a consern with this method is that redosing a 55g QT daily is going to eat up a lot of CP. I wish we had more info on the degree light degrades CPand if there were any other types of lighting that didn't have an adverse effect.
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Will you have to redose for the 10 gallons you are changing out? Are you using Chloroquine Phosphate or Quinine? I started dosing CP last night but I'm worried about the fish. The Hawkfish and Royal Gramma are not eating. They all seem to be breathing hard. I put an aerator in the QT. But the Blenny and clownfish have stopped scratching. As far as the lighting I just have the overhead light on in the room.
 
Yes, I have seen an ammonia spike in a well established tank that was previously treated with chloroquine. I do not know the answer because I have seen "no change" as well.

Someone asked somewhere and 1/8 tsp or a pinch of 100% pure and dry chloroquine powder weighs 209 mg. Invest in a scale though.

Now I have looked into the light thing. As far as I can tell the peak absorption and degradation for chloroquine is at 390 nm. Visible light somewhere near 400-780. Your actinic lights will be 420 nm. So it appears that the majority of the degradation takes place in the UVA to near visible range of light. If you are using a typical household CF bulb, you should be able to minimize the breakdown from light since they have peaks in the 500s and 600s.

Edward Noga, who has written the bible on fish meds states 40mg/gal as a single dose for 21 days to treat velvet. From a personal communication of unpublished data (which I always question) he has recommended 40 mg/gal every 5 days for at least 4 treatments with a salinity between 12-13 ppt for Ich. I would again love to see how he came up with dosing regimen. There is no mention of water change.

Good luck with the CP everyone. I am so happy that after incessantly trying to tell people to try it, it is catching on and sources are becoming available. (Thanks Bobaboey) Good luck with it everyone. I has changed my treatment and QT protocols for sure. I am moving on but feel free to PM me if you have a specific question.

Pleeeeeeease DO NOT partial dose for prophylaxis in your store or wholesale facility. Like antibiotics in humans - treat with the proper dose for the required amount of time. Otherwise it will be of no use - like it is for malaria in East Africa.
 
FWIW I have used the medication for malaria purchased as 250mg tablets, of which 155 mg is CP.

Locally a fish importer who is also a marine biologist, used this on all fish during the mandatory quarantine period and spoke highly of the treatment. Unfortunately, IME, the filler for the balance of the drug seems to include sugar or similar. This leads to a similar outcome to carbon dosing without export.

So if you guys are getting pure CP that's worth trying....but if you can only access it as a human malaria medication then expect problems maintaining high water quality. JM2c. This could be a real problem for more delicate fish.
 
Day 1 dosed 11 grams of cp in my 275 gallon fowlr system. Ammonia alert badge on the tank, lights out, skimmer off... Hoping for the best. Any recommendations should I experience an ammonia spike?
 
cabinetman123 said:
I should've just figured this out. If my calculations are right I will need to dose 10.4 grams to my 260 gallons of water for the40 mg/g regiment. Even after I paid him and he marked my qs as shipped he sent me a lengthy email about using the stuff. Seems like a real decent down to earth guy. Hopefully it's not just flower!
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Would you share his specific instructions on how to dose? Thanks!
 
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