salty joe
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Wow, that's a lot of drug. Does it go bad after awhile? Are there special storage requirements?
My journey using Chloroquine Phosphate begins...
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Wow, that's a lot of drug. Does it go bad after awhile? Are there special storage requirements?
snake42490
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Fishman says to dose 40 mg/ gallon a day?? That seems insane... Where did you see this?
Anytime someone tells you to redose CP; run far, far away! It's a one & done medication! And being there's no CP test kit available, you'd have no way of knowing what the actual concentration would be if you kept redosing.
ironwill723
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Here are some earlier posts from this thread about Fishman's dosing schedule...
jduck
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Fishman chem is most likely importing it so their costs are much cheaper. I personally bought a kg. Its the same as being sold in smaller quantities on ebay. 10 grams will treat 250 gal. Used it on all my fish powder blue tang, tomini tang, yellow tangs, purple tang, bangaii & pajama cardinals, sailfin blenny, clownfish. 1 time dose 40mg/g within 3 days I didn't see any more spots. They are 6 weeks post treatment still disease free, waiting 2-3 more for 240g display fallow.
Currently treating a regal tang, yellow wrasse, flame wrasses. I did have a PBT, yellow wrasse, 6 line that didn't make it through qt.
snake42490
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Jduck, are you saying you are using the stuff from fishman? I can tell you if I dosed that much CP the fish would be fried .
jsjonesrdh
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Anyone have insight on the questions I asked at the bottom of the last page?
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Sure, I will take a swing at it. IME Praziquantil can invoke emesis in fish. I have noticed this on multiple occasions with my sharks and have used it successfuly for that reason on one occasion. I also appears to cause a temporary appetite suppression, usually < 48 hrs. Those properties may be related.
I do not treat with CP for more than 30 days. I have not had failures either. I did have a shark died while in an extended bath of CP >60 days, mainly because of laziness and not removing it from the tank. On necropsy it had liver necrosis. Not sure if related because two others sharks were fine. I see no need to extend therapy.
I started with CP about 3 yrs ago and did a ton of research into it. I found only one study that looked at CP for crypto and it dealt with a green tea extract in a comparison study. It stated that the tea extract was superior to CP and several other treatment options. The study was funded by the company that held a patent on the extract. I found no other study that looked at CP for ich. There are some notes about personal communication on ich and one should take that for what it is.
Instead, all research has looked at it for Velvet, going back to the late 70s. That is where the 10 day treatment regimen came from. It is also where the 40mg/gal was determined as being effective.
There is so much misinformation out there by people trying to make a buck. As mentioned many times before, buy the stuff from a reputable source. If you go through some of my past posts, I've pointed out the ridiculous info that the online fish pharma companies have used to sell the stuff.
I'm very glad that CP has finally caught on. It has entirely changed the way I QT my fish.
Like with other meds, appetite suppression is a possible side affect with Prazi. I also believe Prazi only stays active in the water for 48-72 hours, right about when your goby resumed eating.
I've read (probably just opinions) that CP affects parasites in all life stages, and that 10 days is usually adequate to "clear" a fish. But since there's (probably) no scientific proof to back any of this up and parasites like Ich don't always "play by the rules"; treating for 30 days gives you a comfortable margin of error.
This sticky explains the reasoning and percentages associated with the number of weeks to go fallow.
jsjonesrdh
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Thanks for the input. The fallow thread answered all my questions.
whats the dosing schedule
whats the dosing schedule
whats the dosing schedule
Hi AL I see you have been employing cp for some time now what is the dosage and how often do you repeat it .Sorry if I missed this in previous posts . thank you
jsjonesrdh
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There are many dosing schedules presented in this thread, you might want to review them. I'm dosing 40mg per gal. One dose, plus any added during water changes. I purchased my CP from Thomas labs.
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+1 This is what I do as well. I hold it at this concentration for 30 days. After that, I have not once seen any evidence of a parasite in any of my fish. I think the important thing is to ensure the CP you are using is 100% pure and doesn't contain any fillers. As alprazo said, only buy from a reputable source. Don't try to save a nickel on meds, only to lose a dime on sick fish.
salty joe
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For a new fish, I'm thinking use CP first just in case velvet is present and kill ich at the same time. The fact that CP kills a lot of inverts leads me to believe any internal parasites will be adversely affected, so immediately follow the CP with Prazi and get them while they're weak.
Is that sensible?
Is that sensible?
If you do Prazi after CP, be sure to get all the CP out of the water (if you can). One time I saw a Blonde Naso have a really bad reaction with Prazi while some CP was still in. Moving him to a different QT and re-dosing (using the same bottle of) Prazi solved the problem. His QT tank mate (a Raccoon butterfly) was fine throughout, and got his 2 rounds of Prazi w/CP without incident. So, I guess it all just depends on the fish.
But ever since that experience I've been trying to treat with Prazi before CP. Sometimes this isn't possible if you're seeing symptoms of parasites right off the bat. Prazi only remains active in the water for 2-3 days. IME, CP is a SOB to get completely out. I once had a long-term HT in which CP was used; after 6 months I still couldn't grow algae in this tank, presumably due to CP's algaecide properties. In that 6 months I had done WCs, ran carbon, used a UV; everything to get the CP completely out. All to no avail. I'm guessing it "stuck" to the crushed coral I was using for substrate (and u/g biological filtration). I finally just broke the tank down.
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Has anyone tried malaria medicine tables to treat ich? Here in Europe I have hard time finding CP powder. The only thing i can get is malaria pills with CP as active ingredient. The problem is that it contains inactive ingredients as well and not sure how that'll affect the treatement.
Also it states that "one pill contains 250mg of Chloroquine Phosphate which corresponds to 155mg Chloroquine" I assume they mean 155mg Chloroquine base. So how much should I dose in order to get the 40mg/g?
The medicine I'm asking about is Resochin by Bayer if someone has already used it.
Another thing I'm wondering about is how safe is using CP in hyposalinity. I saw few comments that it is not adviceable as many people have reported deaths, but then many suggest to use CP in hypo. I ask because currently my fish are in QT at 1.009 salinity for almost 10 days already but for some reason dispite of no visible spots, the fish are scratching, heavy breathing and almost no appetite. I've done 10 day of Prazi so probably not flukes. The only thing i could think of is hypo-resistant ich (unlikely) or Velvet (although no visible velvet signs).
Also it states that "one pill contains 250mg of Chloroquine Phosphate which corresponds to 155mg Chloroquine" I assume they mean 155mg Chloroquine base. So how much should I dose in order to get the 40mg/g?
The medicine I'm asking about is Resochin by Bayer if someone has already used it.
Another thing I'm wondering about is how safe is using CP in hyposalinity. I saw few comments that it is not adviceable as many people have reported deaths, but then many suggest to use CP in hypo. I ask because currently my fish are in QT at 1.009 salinity for almost 10 days already but for some reason dispite of no visible spots, the fish are scratching, heavy breathing and almost no appetite. I've done 10 day of Prazi so probably not flukes. The only thing i could think of is hypo-resistant ich (unlikely) or Velvet (although no visible velvet signs).
snake42490
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Vel, I wouldn't do CP in hypo. That sounds like a death sentence to the fish.
In a salvage protocol for velvet, I recommend using CP in combo with a moderate hypo SG of 1.015 to 1.017. This can be done together and the hypo in theory will reduce metabolic demands of the fish - see my salvage protocol post.
Yes, I initially used Aralen. I had great results until I got a batch from Canada that did not work. That is when I started looking for a veterinary grade product from the US. It lacks the binder that can cloud the water. You are correct with dosing as far as I know. I believe it is OTC in Europe, but restricted in the US. It is also very expensive here.
Flukes typically will not kill your fish in a week and therefore I recommend treating with CP first. I have also treated - prophylaxis the two together on multiple occasions. I actually treat all new fish with CP, Prazi and Dimilin.
Yes, I initially used Aralen. I had great results until I got a batch from Canada that did not work. That is when I started looking for a veterinary grade product from the US. It lacks the binder that can cloud the water. You are correct with dosing as far as I know. I believe it is OTC in Europe, but restricted in the US. It is also very expensive here.
Flukes typically will not kill your fish in a week and therefore I recommend treating with CP first. I have also treated - prophylaxis the two together on multiple occasions. I actually treat all new fish with CP, Prazi and Dimilin.
jsjonesrdh
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I am on day 2 of CP tx following a round of prazi. When I dosed CP for the fist time my McCosker's wrasse started to breathe heavily and was swimming erratically for 2-3 hours. The next day his behavior was back to normal and he is still eating well.
My green clown goby seemed unaffected after the CP dosage. He is eating, not much though, only a few small pieces of pellet or mysis per day. Ill update in a week or so unless I have any changes.
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My green clown goby seemed unaffected after the CP dosage. He is eating, not much though, only a few small pieces of pellet or mysis per day. Ill update in a week or so unless I have any changes.
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Thanks for the response! alprazo for the dosing I'm still unsure what you meant about the correct dosage. Also on the british forums i still see various opinions about dosing CP in tablets. I think the 155mg Chloroquine base is what usually 250mg Chloroquine Phosphate consists of and since we are dosing in CP value and not Chloroquine base, I assume in my dosing I should consider 250mg CP in each tablet and not the C-base, do I get it right?
As for the velvet protocol... I still cannot verify it's velvet. At the begining of the hypo i saw few white spots on one of my powder brown, which disappeared after few days in hypo and since then zero white spots. Fish at first were very active and eager eaters, however after the prazi pro treatement (8 days) they got lethargic, heavy breathing, scratching. They have been in QT for almost 15 days now, 11 days in hypo at 1.008 which is tested by a calibrated with NSW refractometer. Yet sympthoms still exist. No visible signs though just some shredded fins and little discoloration which i think is due to the permanent lights off on the QT. That is why I thought it could be velvet, however if it were, wouldn't it already during the past 15 days kill all? So I'm still wondering if to keep the hypo and wait for improvement since no visible signs of crypto or move the salinity up and hope that the tablets CP I have will work in this application. I may just start a new thread, do not want to spam the good discussion here.
