My journey using Chloroquine Phosphate begins...

JoshuaG said:
Just as an FYI, a quote from my Geomans/Ichinotsubo book.

"Chloroquine Phosphate is available in bulk powder from various chemical supply houses and no special license or permit is required for it's purchase. Aralen tablets are also available from online pharmacies or via a prescription from your local doctor."

This is where I got mine, he gets it from Fishman Chemicals. It's listed as 99% pure.

http://www.thomaslabs.com/products/632-fish-quine-forte-powder-chloroquine-phosphate-400mg.aspx
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ironwill723 said:
No. Nothing happened to the fish that had ich. I treated the fish for over a month. I even redosed every 10 days. This was the CP from Fishman. The CP I used from Thomas Labs worked within a week. One dosage at 40mg/g should be enough to treat if pure.
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Ironwill, I'm confused as apparently Fishman and Thomas labs is the same thing
 
holdyourlight said:
Ironwill, I'm confused as apparently Fishman and Thomas labs is the same thing
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Definitely not the same company. Not sure where Thomas Labs gets their CP. All I know is the Fishman CP did not work. I have talked to others here on RC that have had the same experience. Here are the addresses listed on their homepages for each company.

Thomas Laboratories
9165 W. Van Buren
Tolleson, Az 85353

Fishman Chemical, LLC
624 Old Dixie Highway SW Vero Beach, FL 32962

 
snake42490 said:
Jduck, are you saying you are using the stuff from fishman? I can tell you if I dosed that much CP the fish would be fried .
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Yes I am using chloroquine phosphate from fishman, as have many others including the originator of this thread.

40 mg/gal of the QT tank.

Bob Goemans talks about fishman as being a trusted source

http://www.saltcorner.com/Letters/showexchange.php?exchangeID=179
I also want to note here that for the last couple of months since our book came out, a local shop began using chloroquine phosphate in their 1000-gallon fish quarantine system. They are 'exceedingly' happy with the product and report they have not lost a single fish, except for a couple that were extremely damaged when they arrived. Furthermore, they say having a quarantine system where there is no longer a problem with excessive ammonia since this med does not kill filtration bacteria, is another blessing in their opinion! There are just big smiles every time I walk into their shop!

And as to purchasing this product, there is a wholesale company we both can recommend, however, they do not sell retail. Therefore I recommend contacting one of your local shops, as I have done, and fully explain the benefits behind using this med and that they may want to try it in their quarantine system and if satisfied, make it available to their clients. The name of this company is: Fishman Chemicals, 215 Ojibway Ave.,Tavernier, FL 33070, ph: (305) 852-612, fax: (305) 852-6272, www.fishchemical.com.

Hope this helps, and please keep us updated.



Bob




Do a google search for chloroquine phosphate Bob Goemans you will see tons of results.
 
In my opinion, Alprazo is the original RC authority on CP usage, proper dosing, and the first person I will consult if I have a question regarding its administration. I have also had email correspondences with Bob Goemans and trust his knowledge on the subject as well. Alprazo has stated numerous times on this thread alone on the validity of some of the sources Bob Goemans had originally suggested for acquiring CP in his earlier books that were written nearly 10 years ago when CP was harder to source. The point was not that Fishman Chemical is not selling CP powder but at what percent of that powder was actually CP and not fillers and other nasties. Numerous people on this thread have quoted Fishman personally recommending them dosing schedules of their CP twice per day, or once per day, or once every other day, etc... In Bob Goemans book you will find no such advice. If you have recently read his revised online manual on his webpage, he has now even reduced his initial dosage regime from 20mg/l to 15 mg/l for CP. His next dosage is not for another 7 days and then only 10mg/l. So why is Fishman telling people to dose so often? Also, where is their certificate of authenticity or spec sheet for their CP?

And just checking tonight they have changed their website...No more 99% pure claim that I can see... Something smells fishy to me. Buyer beware...

http://www.fishchemical.com/FULL-PRODUCT-LIST-CHLOROQUINE-PHOSPHATE-22937.Item.html
 
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ironwill723 said:
In my opinion, Alprazo is the original RC authority on CP usage, proper dosing, and the first person I will consult if I have a question regarding its administration.
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Amen to this! If you go back and read some of his earliest posts, alprazo was ridiculed for suggesting that a malaria drug could be used to treat external parasites in fish. Apparently his detractors didn't do their homework, as CP was a proven method back in the 70s before big brother made it so hard to get. I'm glad to see alprazo is finally getting the recognition he deserves!
 
ironwill723 said:
Definitely not the same company. Not sure where Thomas Labs gets their CP. All I know is the Fishman CP did not work. I have talked to others here on RC that have had the same experience. Here are the addresses listed on their homepages for each company.

Thomas Laboratories
9165 W. Van Buren
Tolleson, Az 85353

Fishman Chemical, LLC
624 Old Dixie Highway SW Vero Beach, FL 32962
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I didn't suggest they are the same company. What i was suggesting is that others have been told directly from Thomas Labs that he gets his CP from Fishman and packages it into smaller quantities
 
I don't think there really is one best source. Just make sure you can verify the contents from whomever you order from. The pharmacy I listed above was alprazo's source and they sent me a certificate of authenticity with my order. I would also look for a vet or vet pharmacy if possible as they will understand why you want the drug. On that sheet it listed exactly what the powder contained which in this case was 100% CP.
 
A few observations about chloroquine phosphate

A few observations about chloroquine phosphate

I have been researching chloroquine phosphate all day today and I have some insight that you guys might be interested in.

Is chloroquine phosphate effective for the treatment of c. irritans?

I don't want to spend a lot of time on this subject because I think we have established that it is an effective treatment for the eradication of c. irritans. We have sufficient evidence from members on this forum that it's effective, and many have talked firsthand with aquarist at large public aquariums that use CP for the treatment of ich.

Is chloroquine phosphate the only form of chloroquine?

Actually, I have discovered in my research that chloroquine comes in many different forms. There is chloroquine bisphosphate (which is what we are calling chloroquine phosphate), there is chloroquine diphosphate, and there is even a chloroquine sulfate. Now, the interesting thing is that each of these have been used as active ingredients in either anti-malarial medications and/or studies I have found.

What is the significance of this?

I have found that chloroquine phosphate is the compound that is most often used and/or found in the name brand drugs for malaria, rheumatoid arthritis, and lupus. The only problem is that it is extremely tough to locate a reputable source or you may even need a prescription. On the other hand, I have found several chemical companies that sell 98-99% chloroquine diphosphate which seems to be cheaper and more readily available. Here are a few of the companies I have found that sell chloroquine phosphate and/or chloroquine diphosphate.

http://www.advance-scientific.com/
http://www.fishersci.com


Will chloroquine diphosphate be effective against c. irritans?

It is my opinion that chloroquine diphosphate will be equally effective against c. irritans as chloroquine phosphate has been. I base my opinion on the fact that there is documented use of chloroquine diphosphate in clinical studies on humans for malaria. Additionally, if you look up chloroquine diphosphate on reference.md you will see they still list it as an anti-malarial drug.

Anyway, I am open to any feedback and/or criticisms you guys may have. I am just trying to make this hobby more enjoyable for us all...
 
This thread has 330 posts, how can we get this posted as a STICKY here on RC? I think it is safe to say enough people here are interested in the subject and treatment using this medication for various ailments as a good alternative to copper.
 
Chicago said:
has it been asked if this can be used with other drugs.. like prozipro?
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I've done it in a pinch; everything turned out fine. Below is what others have had to say.

b0bab0ey said:
This caught my eye in the drug interactions sticky, so I did a little research and have confirmed it (see links below):

"praziquantel may have its serum concentration decreased by chloroquine"

So, this means if you treat prophylactically then it would be best to deworm with PraziPro before beginning CP treatment, if at all possible. If you do it after, then you need to get the CP out of the water beforehand. I know light will break CP down, but does anyone know of a quicker, more effective way? Carbon perhaps?

http://www.mims.com/USA/interaction/Search/praziquantel%7Cchloroquine

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bdd.2510150103/abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8161714
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alprazo said:
I just wanted to share my experience with chloroquine phosphate.

I have used it for both cryptocaryon irritans and Oodinium. For both it worked well. 10 ppm for Oodinium and 12.5 ppm for crypto. The onset of action is faster for velvet. Medicine obtained from Canada seemed to have less efficacy at the same dose vs the US. The medicine has been used both in Telost fish and elasmobranches without adverse effects. It appears to be well tolerated and the biologic filtration was unaffected. It has been used in combination with praziquantil with both fish and sharks. It has also been used in combo with ciprofloxicin and cephalexin will no I'll effects in a boney fish.

All fish were treated in isolation. I do not know the effects on inverts, but I imagine that it is not good.
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alprazo said:
Yes, Cipro, chloroquine, and praziquantil were all used together in a 14 day bath with beneficial effects. An anorexic fish starting eating while undergoing the treatment. This fish appeared to have a secondary bacterial infection of the mouth in addition to a severe cryptocaryon infestation. It is approximately 2 months out and doing well.

I forgot to mention, chloroquine is dosed only once. It was added to water changes at the same 10 ppm.

Chloroquine alone, in my experience, worked both for cryptocaryon (marine ich) and oodinium (marine velvet)
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I just set up an emergency hospital tank with cqp to try and save my kole tang. I have already lost 2 blue reef chromic and a copper and butterfly.


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If you have every taken chloroquine before - the taste is horrible. It is notorious for having a bad metallic taste.

I posted a review of an article published in the aquaculture literature about oral chloroquine for velvet and toxicity on this board. Do a search. I think the problem is getting fish to eat it.
 
Hello I have tried feeding Dr Gs it must really taste bad. Just about every fish spits it out. I tried mixing with mysis and soaking with Garlic. I don't think fish will accept Dr Gs
 
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