My new 600 gallon reef
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UnderwaterExotic
In Memoriam
WOW, BEST of Luck Goodwin. Everything will work out!!! Just cause one thing he saw didnt work dosent mean it will never work.
jnarowe
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Well I hope this calms down. I would hate to see Chuck bail on the thread. I can't tell you guys how many times I have had sandbed junkies visit my reef and tell me I need more sand in the display. I get tired of it. My reef keeping philosophy is different, and indeed evolutionary. In other words, I am watching my system, making adjustments, trying to understand water quality issues, etc. But what I don't need is people telling me I am doing it all wrong.
I have had some of the most accomplished reefers visit and they all like my system. Some parts are not the way they would do it, and sometimes, WHEN I ASK FOR IT, I get an opinion I can evaluate and possibly incorporate into my reef keeping husbandry.
Fish can always be removed for whatever reason like illness, aggression, bio-load etc. and there are always reefers more than willing to accept new animals, right Eric?
As far as implicating ick or other diseases, only Chuck knows what's happening there. I try to QT and acclimate everything I put in my tank, but sometimes it doesn't work out well because the fish doesn't take to the acclimation process. At that point, I might introduce it to the display to give it a more natural feeling environment. I have specific ways I acclimate, specific ways I introduce any new livestock, and so far it has worked out very well...with one horrendous exception.
I have purchased two naso tangs on different occassions after watching them at the LFS for very extended periods. Both have been fine when first introduced into the display, but then over a few days, become listless, aloof, not eating, and finally died. I to this day have no idea why, as this has only happened with these two fish. So 3 times a charm? No. Not for me. I won't ever try to put aother one in my system. Which is unfortunate because I really like them.
So we live and learn, hopefully do right by our charges, and weather the trolls.
I have had some of the most accomplished reefers visit and they all like my system. Some parts are not the way they would do it, and sometimes, WHEN I ASK FOR IT, I get an opinion I can evaluate and possibly incorporate into my reef keeping husbandry.
Fish can always be removed for whatever reason like illness, aggression, bio-load etc. and there are always reefers more than willing to accept new animals, right Eric?
As far as implicating ick or other diseases, only Chuck knows what's happening there. I try to QT and acclimate everything I put in my tank, but sometimes it doesn't work out well because the fish doesn't take to the acclimation process. At that point, I might introduce it to the display to give it a more natural feeling environment. I have specific ways I acclimate, specific ways I introduce any new livestock, and so far it has worked out very well...with one horrendous exception.
I have purchased two naso tangs on different occassions after watching them at the LFS for very extended periods. Both have been fine when first introduced into the display, but then over a few days, become listless, aloof, not eating, and finally died. I to this day have no idea why, as this has only happened with these two fish. So 3 times a charm? No. Not for me. I won't ever try to put aother one in my system. Which is unfortunate because I really like them.
So we live and learn, hopefully do right by our charges, and weather the trolls.
cbui2
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man i go away for a night to spend time with the family and come back to 3 pages. i am speechless on some of the post here. i have been on this thread from the beginning reading from how his tank is being built, under built, moving from a few ft of snow sidewalk to the basement, filling water, aquascaping and now nuclear bomb will be coming directly to his home in a few yrs :lol: ? how come the ONE reply didn't come any sooner when 30+ fishes was acclimated all at the same time? was it so happened that ONE just stumble onto a new thread and decided to have a little fun. how is it possible that all fishes are alike and will have the same symptom from one display to another or from one sea to another, not only that how can we be all certain that all fishes bought from the LFS or online have not encounter any problem from the past to make them go crazy or due to ich and etc.? how can ONE determine the fish is not crazy from juv to adult and just b/c the fish is large? how is it possible to tell that its an adult, cut him or her open i guess :rollface: ? for example in real life just b/c the kid measures 6ft tall at 180lbs and playing football that he's a juv or an adult. how does ONE knows? if all of these how questions can be answers and proven then maybe i might be able to considered his opinions. i thought getting into this hobby to meet knowledgeable people and having fun reefkeeping was the point. did Chuck do something wrong for the past many years and having over 10+ tanks just under few thousands gallons of water in his home to deserve this reply? how is it that the ONE posted reply know for sure? when ONE says trust me do you also jump over the bridge when told? no matter what Chuck all your display is still cool i'm jealous btw , and even taking care of all those tank before you eat . this is his display and doing as he pleased should be his decision and no one else. i'm pretty sure comments and remarks are taking. oh not to mention spending a lot of time and energy setting every tanks up.
, and even taking care of all those tank before you eat . this is his display and doing as he pleased should be his decision and no one else. i'm pretty sure comments and remarks are taking. oh not to mention spending a lot of time and energy setting every tanks up.
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NanoReefaholic
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Umm ya.. zOOs you're quite a card. You say how you're disgusted by the way he's being treated there ("inexcusable, and just stright rude") yet you do the same thing here toward a 'certain individual' even though your scope seems to be broad based. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Nice trolling...
cbui2 thanks for making the mantra here clear; it's not the amount of knowledge you have, it's the gallonage. Almost as bad as saying 'lay it out on the table and we'll measure'... simply sad.
Seems unless people are patting Goodwin9 on the back for his tank you cut them apart by calling them names, questioning their right to give advice, or simply by removing the post. Without discussing methodology you will never learn, but hey you'll have a huge ego from all the pats on the back.
Personally I don't like the method Goodwin9's cares for his rays (but that's another story) and I see other potential issues with this setup. The point is we try to give the best environment possible hopefully improving our knowledge through dialogue and ultimately (hopefully) improving the quality of life for our tanks.
What is the fall back plan for the fish if/when you start to run into issues? What techniques do you plan on employing to keep aggression to a minimum? Do you have a plan for dealing with the bioload if/when your levels start to decline (ie another skimmer, more water changes, removal of livestock, etc.)?
True there are many ways to do a reef but you may be headed down a path that's not as easy as it could be.
cbui2 thanks for making the mantra here clear; it's not the amount of knowledge you have, it's the gallonage. Almost as bad as saying 'lay it out on the table and we'll measure'... simply sad.
Seems unless people are patting Goodwin9 on the back for his tank you cut them apart by calling them names, questioning their right to give advice, or simply by removing the post. Without discussing methodology you will never learn, but hey you'll have a huge ego from all the pats on the back.
Personally I don't like the method Goodwin9's cares for his rays (but that's another story) and I see other potential issues with this setup. The point is we try to give the best environment possible hopefully improving our knowledge through dialogue and ultimately (hopefully) improving the quality of life for our tanks.
What is the fall back plan for the fish if/when you start to run into issues? What techniques do you plan on employing to keep aggression to a minimum? Do you have a plan for dealing with the bioload if/when your levels start to decline (ie another skimmer, more water changes, removal of livestock, etc.)?
True there are many ways to do a reef but you may be headed down a path that's not as easy as it could be.
steve the plumb
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I like goodwin's tank.I used to keep many a fish in my 150 gal and I can tell you I had 6 tangs in a 150 gal tank.The clown was the most aggressive of all the tangs.They would mostly fight over food.The clown became pushy during feeding time.Yet I never got ich in the tank but I have had many a fish die and yet my system was fine.Some fish I couldn't keep while others would be fine(my bastard kole tang)With a nice large tank they have room to breath.I wish I had a 600 gal tank.I didn't have the space so 300 was fine for me.If a guy has so many tanks that are doing well, he must be doing something right.Keep up the good work.
Atomikk
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Again, people need to look at the bigger picture. People look only at the now, not the future. You don't have to take anyone's advice. You can do whatever you want to your tank. You can stuff 300 fish if you want. Just remember the advice that was offered to you in this thread. People want to educate you so that you don't go through problems down the road. This education is mainly through years of personal experiences. Patience is a virtue, especially in this hobby. Fish/Corals/Invers are not cars, tvs, or Xboxes. They are living creatures that grow, mature, and reproduce. We have to treat them as such. Do we keep 20 dogs in a small house? I didn't think so....
Goodwin9
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I don't have a problem with any one expressing their views on this, or any of my tanks. I am by no means an expert in this hobby. My philosophy and methods for fish keeping might differ from others, but they seem to work for me. When they haven't, I have changed.
I don't understand how or why someone can tell me that my tank is going to "crash" down the road, without giving specifics. If you see flaws..please explain. I really don't understand the aggression so many have spoken about. Do you know this from personal experience or just hear say?
I have three yellow tangs in my 470 that I have kept for the past 3 some years. They were some of first fish I ever purchased. Since I know that they are at least 3 years old, can you tell me when they will start turning aggressive towards my other tangs?
These 3 particular yellow tangs are smaller than any of the 5 yellows in the big tank. Does this mean that they will turn aggressive before the 3 year old tangs in my 470?
I welcome your comments or thoughts on my shark and ray tank. Here is the link to that post.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=945893
Have I thought or planned out everything, probably not, but I am able to react fairly quickly to most issues. I don't believe that I have ever made a post stating my way was the best way, or the only way to do things. I've just been sharing my journey for others to see. I appreciate both positive and negative comments and read every post.
Atomikk
SPS OG
Yellow tangs school, so they are going to be ok (if given enough room to swim). But, they might bother other tangs if they feel threatened. You may not see aggression at this moment in your 600gal, but in due time you will. Maybe not this year or next.. but sooner than later you will.
Goodwin9
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Advise, suggestions, and thoughts are always welcomed. As a read them, I haven't read any personal experiences from people who say my tank is going to "crash". Maybe if they would share their experience, I would have a better time understanding what they are trying to communicate in their posts.
Just out of curiosity, how many dogs can you keep in a small house?
If your not carefull you'll have this problem!! http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=15357359 lol
Goodwin9
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My 470 has 17 tangs in it. I've not seen any aggression from any of the tangs, of than one chasing another around, which I would consider more playing than aggression. The majority of those tangs have been in that tank for more than a year. When do you think that I will start seeing the aggressive behavior come out in that tank? Can you share your personal experiences you have experienced with aggression in your tank?
If it would help, I can post a list of the tangs I have in the tank.
NanoReefaholic
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I think a general statement that your tank is going to crash is because for the bioload you have a normal system couldn't keep up without alot of help.
Hopefully you get some helpful advice that you pay attention to and ignore the rest. Pats on the back or just getting what you want to hear when you want to hear it won't help further your knowledge. However take it all with a grain of salt, it's only advice.
I leave you with this thought, how much area tangs normally consider 'theirs' in the ocean. As for the dogs, it depends on where you live and some places still consider them food.
Hopefully you get some helpful advice that you pay attention to and ignore the rest. Pats on the back or just getting what you want to hear when you want to hear it won't help further your knowledge. However take it all with a grain of salt, it's only advice.
I leave you with this thought, how much area tangs normally consider 'theirs' in the ocean. As for the dogs, it depends on where you live and some places still consider them food.
Goodwin9
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I planned for this system knowing that I have a tendency to stock a large number of fish. I guess it might help if I were to post how often I change filter cartridges, do media changes and water changes.
I change the mechanical filters weekly. Carbon is changed weekly and phos reactor changed when needed. Sand filters require no maintenance. The skimmer is cleaned and inspected every week. I change 100 gallons of water weekly, and have the ability to do another 100 at the same time if needed. My RO unit can produce 30 gallons per hour so I would have the capability of replacing the entire water volume in a little more than a day. I test 10 different water parameters each week.
With this information can you offer any more suggestions on what I should be doing to maintain a healthy environment for my fish and corals?
I am wondering if you could explain your final thought, it went over my head.. Thanks!
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